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(Hi,They are Awa Khami people,not the same with Mro people language , Language Script, Cuttural festival , dress. so moved to Awa Khami people).Thanks.
Moyezan (
talk) 02:50, 18 May 2020 (UTC)reply
As stated in the section below, there seems to be confusion between two subgroups of the
Chin people:
the Mro-Khimi, Wakim or Awa Khami people, described in this article,
Mro people (Awa Khami);
the Taung Mro, Mru or Mrucha people, described in another article which has had several titles and recently moved to
Mro people (Mru).
Putting the Mrucha aside for a moment, what would be the
best title for the Mro/Awa Khami article? Is their most
commonly recognizable name "Mro", "Awa Khami", or something else?
If it's "Mro" then the current title is probably best. Mro and Mro people can refer to either group and, as
ambiguous titles with no clear primary topic, correctly lead to
a disambiguation page. In this case, we need a distinguishing qualifier, and "(Awa Khami)" seems to be a good choice, so I would oppose the move.
If it's "Awa Khami" then I would support the move as proposed.
If it's a close call between the two then I would also support the move as
natural disambiguation.
If it's something else then we should consider moving the article to that title instead.
Sorry for the long essay but I hope that helps.
Certes (
talk) 14:47, 23 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment I have created a similar RM at
Talk:Mro language#Requested move 24 May 2020 following repeated moves of that page. We may or may not wish to resolve the two discussions together. Pinging
Kwamikagami, who may be able to help us or suggest someone who can.
Certes (
talk) 10:20, 24 May 2020 (UTC)reply
I find it difficult to follow what Moyezan and Yomeo are saying. They are both single-purpose accounts making edits to this ethnic group. This article was originally created under the title
Awa Khami. There are obviously several different synonyms for this group but neither editor has pointed out sources. For an ethnic group supposedly recognized by the government, what title does the government use? I can't access the Ethnologue source. – Thjarkur(talk) 14:02, 24 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment@
Þjarkur: Here's an archived version of the Ethnologue page.
[1] –
Austronesier (
talk) 16:06, 25 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Add I have just been able to check the history of all the pages involoved. This is highly disruptive editing which should not only be handled by PP but also by sanctions against the editors who fail to provide sources and just keep edit warring based on their version of
WP:TRUTH. For this discussion, we need more sources. In the linguistic
MA thesis by Hornéy (2012), the ethnic group and the language are called Mro Khimi, and the Ethnologue says that Mro-Khimi is the autonym. Awa Khami is the common exonym used in the oft-cited "official" list of
135 ethnic groups (cf. sources there). So currently, I would only choose between autonym Mro-Khimi and exonym Awa Khami. –
Austronesier (
talk) 18:22, 25 May 2020 (UTC)reply
CommentAn ethnologue map from Myanmar Information Management Unit also refers
Mro language (cmr) as Mro-Khimi in English, and မြို(ခမိ) in Burmese.
Ninja✮Strikers«
☎» 06:31, 26 May 2020 (UTC)reply
New proposal: Mro-Khimi people
New proposal: move
Mro people (Awa Khami) →
Mro-Khimi people. This title matches one alternative in Ethnologue and
Joshua Project. It seems to combine elements of both the current title and that to which the page was temporarily moved. I add the qualifier "people" because
Joshua Project also refers to the language as "Mro-Khimi". Could everyone, especially
Moyezan and
Yomeo, accept the title "Mro-Khimi people" for this article?
Certes (
talk) 14:32, 26 May 2020 (UTC)reply
SupportThis peer-reviewed academic source (pp. 131-132) confirms that "Mro-Khimi" is the self-designation of the speakers. The source itself calls the language simply "Mro", and the ethnic group "Mro Chin" (and FWIW, the other debated group in Bangladesh is called "Mru" in the source).
NB: Joshua Project is a weak source, since they usually simply copy the nomenclature used in the Ethnologue. –
Austronesier (
talk) 14:40, 26 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Weak support so far. This seems like a reasonable compromise, and obviously the article has to move to something else, because we do not do "Name (Alternative Name)" article title patterns; parentheticals are used for disambiguation, not for packing in synonyms. —
SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 12:37, 2 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment A related article has
moved to
Mro-Khimi language. This may or may not indicate the best title for the people article.
Certes (
talk) 10:10, 6 June 2020 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
No need to move Mro people to Awa Khami
(Hi Do not confused Mru or Mrucha people and Mro or Mro ( Wakim ) or Mro Khami.
If we says Mro, there is evidence till now, who has been living in Chin state and Rakhin state as Mro or Mro ( Wakim ), Mro Khami.
Hi Moyezan! I think you thought Mrucha as Mro. dont confuse with Mrucha or Taungmro or locally called Dak. --
Yomeo (
talk) 12:05, 23 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Please stop considering only for Mru People who call themselves Mrucha and Marked as Mro in languages.
Please think there are a lots of Mro people in historical region ( Southern Chin State ( Sami region) and Rakhin State). They speak Mro, Mro ( Wakim ), Mro Khimi.
EVERY ETHNIC PEOPLE DOES NOT WANT TO LOST THEIR ARTICLE NAME, HISTORY, CULTURE AND LANGUAGES AND LAND. --
Yomeo (
talk) 12:14, 23 May 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Yomeo: We want to engage in a constructive discussion about the topic. I understand your concerns, but please tell us in a concise and calm way what you want to say, without ALLCAPS (which equals
WP:shouting) and drama (incl. edit warring and disruptive page moves), and please also provide reliable sources. Thank you! –
Austronesier (
talk) 09:35, 26 May 2020 (UTC)reply
For my local research knowledge, Awakhami is just internal conversation name of their relationship, It does not represent the whole Mro ethnic. By doing so, Mro people will be split up. So, Mro people naming is the best way to united among them. Thanks "Austronesier" --
Yomeo (
talk) 16:07, 26 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Uniting groups in causes isn't Wikipedia's job. We're here to reflect what reliable,
independent sources are reporting. —
SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 12:40, 2 June 2020 (UTC)reply