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I'm thinking of adding a section on metathesis in Sign Language (specifically ASL) but I don't think I have the photos which would be beneficial, if not crucial, to understanding the explanation. I guess even if I had the pictures, I've never tried uploading and linking to photos in wiki. Any help or any comments? -- Alex DG 04:12, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
There is a curious note under the American Sign Langauge section (about the information not being cited) that doesn't appear in any of the other language examples that aren't cited. Why is that? Also, The introduction still talks about metathesis being a process affecting sounds and syllables. Although American sign language is assumed to have syllables it certainly doesn't have 'sounds'. I would suggest we reword the intro to refer to "phonological units" or "sub-lexical units" rather than sounds or syllables. Alex DG ( talk) 17:39, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Spelling changes do not cause phonological changes; the US pronounciation is not a result of a spelling change in "jewelry/jewellery". I pronounce it "julrey", with only two syllables, which I suspect is the most common US prononunciation. (And I pronounce "jewel", normally, with a single long diphthong, in contrast to the usual two-syllable British pronunciation.) I think the spelling change reflects the three -> two syllable change, and not the metathesis "julary". Hence, I'm deleting entirely the comment about spelling. -- Tb 00:45 27 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Definitely. Metathesis is very frequently associated with analogy to other words. -- Tb 20:43 27 Jul 2003 (UTC)
What phonetic transcription is being used in this article? It's not X-SAMPA—I've never heard anyone pronounce "jewelry" with a doubled /o/ sound. — Gwalla | Talk 17:51, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Would anyone else agree that the pronunciation 'Febyuary' for February isn't metathesis, but a contraction of the 'r' sound? It doesn't seem to exhibit the same reordering of the other examples. Xyzzyva 19:01, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)
I think aksian vs. ask and hwat vs. what also belong here, but I'm not sure of their ancient forms. Adam78 13:36, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
I just added the "wymon for women" example. I think it's a good common example, but as the vowel is also shifted if someone fells strongly elsewise please feel free to remove it. -- Zombiejesus 03:23, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
stragety for strategy. witness heqs 18:47, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Are "realator" and "nucular" really examples of metathesis? I think they're more accurately be described as examples of epenthesis, but certainly not metathesis.
Is "liberry" really metathesis? Seems to me more like an elision of the first r sound. 128.173.157.65
Could someone confirm whether the standard English pronunciation of 'iron' as if it were 'iern' is an example of metathesis (and if so, provide an IPA rendering of the latter)? Stevvers 18:43, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
I think the mention of the meaning of metathesis in chemistry is redundant due to the fact that it is mentioned in the disambiguation. The statement in the article ought to be deleted.
Hello, All.
The article gives these as examples of metathesis in English:
I think they should not be included. I see no transposition of phonemes, only the shortening or omission of sounds.
The first change in Israel is the omission of a sound for the initial I. The several typical variant pronunciations for the rest of the word seem to hing on
No transposition.
In [ˈvɛtʃtəbəl] and [ˈvɛdʒtəbəl], there is omission of the sound of the medial e, along with, in one case, devoicing of [dʒ] into [tʃ]. Again, no transposition.
I will remove those words from the list.
President Lethe 03:52, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
How sure are we about this one? I could envision a series such as this: miraculo > *miragulo > *miraglo > *miragro > miraglo with plain ol' liquid dissimilation. Step 3 could come about if it was reached after gl- >> ll had started. -- Tropylium ( talk) 17:53, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Can anyone recommend good references for metathesis in Greek and Latin?--Meieimatai 04:46, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
In the section about Spanish, it was written:
implying that "murciégalo" (the non-standard variant) is a metathesis of "murciélago" (the standard variant, "blessed" by the Spanish Royal Academy). In fact, this is not true. In this case, it is the standard variant that is a methatesis of the variant contemporarily considered as non-standard. To see this, look up "murciélago" in the Spanish Royal Academy dictionary and check its etymology. -- Antonielly ( talk) 13:27, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
The example in the introduction (pronouncing 'comfortable' as if it was spelt 'comfterble') is surely an example of elision and not metathesis — in fact, it is even used as an example in the elision article. — Stephen Morley ( talk) 14:44, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
"What is sound before and after metathesis depends on assumption of language ancestry if protowords cannot be attested." Any ideas what that gibberish means? Wikipedia needs to be in plain english. Futhermore, are all those examples from other cultures strictly necessary? This is the English Language Wiki, after all. This entry sounds like a final PhD dissertation on The Analysis of Metathesis in Protolanguages of Eastern Senegal. Jubilee♫ clipman 14:22, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
This triplet is given as an example of metathesis in English. I doubt it, because this particular example could be simply a manifestation of phonological evolution in English. Compare Latin: tres (three), tertius (third). Has Latin undergone a similar metathesis? I have seen that the words *treyes (three) and *trtyos (third) are posited for the Proto-Indo-European with the syllabic -r- in the second word. Then historical evolution explains why we have tres but tertius (not tretius) in Latin, and likewise, in English. We want a specific example on metathesis in English, not one which illustrates the evolution of non-vocalic syllablic sounds r, l, m and n. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.19.234.131 ( talk) 22:40, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi!
Data didn't mispronounce it and nor is the IPA pronunciation given the 'correct' (i.e. only) pronunciation, by a long chalk. Stressing of syllables is especially variable in English speakers even moving from dialect to dialect throughout the UK. Considered across all of the English speaking populations this is even more the case. Indeed, the listed pronunciation is one which seems least like to me (a native English speaker, travelled widely), as it happens.
/'mɛtɘθiːsɘz/ and /mɛtɘ'θiːsɪs/ for example are two pronunciations which I can attest and which are both far more likely than a 'schwa'd initial ee combined with a strongly stressed second syllable, in my opinion.
In any case, there is no way it can be argued that it was mispronounced, as is currently stated, when used in ST:TNG. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.200.208.164 ( talk) 15:19, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
I can't cite a source or I'd just edit the article, but I'm quite certain that /ˈkʌmftəɹbl/ (which the article gives as /ˈkʌmftərbəl/, a pronunciation I'm pretty sure does not occur) is not an example of metathesis. It represents an intrusive /ɹ/ as a hypercorrection of the non-rhotic contraction /ˈkʌmftəbl/. The /ɹ/ does not exchange positions with any other phoneme. Expected metathetic forms for "comfortable" would be */ˈkʌmfrətəbl/ or */ˈkʌmfətəɹbl/, neither of which exists, as far as I know. Jdcrutch ( talk) 19:37, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
This is more likely lenition: /ˈaɪ.r̩n/ > /ˈaɪrn/, if underlying /rə/ is assumed /ˈaɪ.rən/ > /ˈaɪɚn/. ᛭ LokiClock ( talk) 14:28, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
How is this an example of metathesis? According to Dictionary.com, there is no pronunciation "eye-ron". It is therefore not the same as "calvary" or "foilage". If no one defends this as metathesis it should be removed.-- Ermenrich ( talk) 00:43, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
I think not enough explanation is given on the reasons metathesis takes place - i.e. a clear distinction needs to be made in cases of natural progression in the development of a language (i.e. like the Spanish milagro (miracle) or Argelia (Algeria)), and completely intentional examples such as verlan. It could even be mentioned that spoonerisms are an example of metathesis (originally unintentional; subsequently - intentionally comic), rather than simply having it in the see also section. BigSteve ( talk) 12:05, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
Can I have a crips please?.:) 1812ahill ( talk) 20:12, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
Are proper names significant, such as Brett Favre ( /ˈfɑːrv/)? → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 20:01, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
Illustrative and useful would be info by a linguist on hm -> mh metathesis (intermediate? – phonetic but not yet in orthography) in Indic languages (quick search shows it applies at least for Bengali, Marathi, and even Hindi), an example could be brahma. — Mykhal ( talk) 22:56, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
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"moustique from Spanish mosquito (1654); originally pronounced and written as "mousquitte" (1603)." This timeline seems impossible as written, as 'mousquitte' (1603) appears to be a French form. Perhaps what's intended is a French (1603) to Spanish (1654) to French (current) transition series. Heavenlyblue ( talk) 23:10, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
First impulse:
In dyslexicography, metathesis (...) is the transposition of sounds or syllables in a word or of words in a sentence.
It would be nice to tag the lead sentence with: In somefield, ...
But what? Phonology, syntax, lexicography?
My first impulse wins the thread, but it's not suitable here. — MaxEnt 20:24, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
Why do we have
as an example in the lede, but show the reverse direction
in the English example section? And what are the two asterisks in front of foilage supposed to mean (in the lede)? Phlar ( talk) 12:00, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
Shouldn't this be mentioned somewhere in the article as an example? I mean the entire community, not to mention the world at large struggles with the distinction - and there's a "word" for that!
No mention at mw:Differences between Wikipedia, Wikimedia, MediaWiki, and_wiki either. GregRundlett ( talk) 15:38, 17 January 2024 (UTC)