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I have an objection to how there are no qualifications to the statement "Maximus, like Origen and St. Gregory of Nyssa, believed in apokatastasis..." One of the sources given to support this statement goes as follows:
"St. Maximus the Confessor seems to have subscribed to a mild form of the teaching during his early years, though he later significantly revised Origenist ideas as he elaborated his own highly influential theology."
Should that not be mentioned? Of course, it would be preferable if we had any actual writings or saying of Maximus as a source, since none of the 3 sources given have that. But I think it's misleading to reference a source as evidence when, if we are to trust that source in the first place (as we must if we reference it here) we must also trust the significant qualification that it gives to Maximus' belief in universal salvation. Tix ( talk) 19:44, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Someone had put an extremely objectionable picture on this page. I request protection on an urgent basis 69.151.26.36 15:19, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
I am moving these unreferenced quotes here. They would add to the article, but unfortunately, whomever found them did not provide citations for them. Please add citations if you know where they came from. -- Pastordavid 03:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
He is said to have exclaimed: "I have the faith of the Latins, but the language of the Greeks."His remarks in 634 are very revealing of the nature of the invading Saracen forces, which he describes as being Jewish, providing first-hand corroboration for the thesis of modern historians who have determined that Islam began as a Judeo-Christian sect.
I have requested a peer review of this article, looking for ways to improve it. Comments can be left on the peer review page. Thanks, -- Pastordavid 10:53, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Very good article. I almost passed it, but I would like to see a little clarification/expansion. The article is well-reference and well-written. However, there is a grammatical error in the first line of the "Trial and exile" section. The "legacy" section should be expanded. It says he has been overlooked in the West until recently. How has he been recognized in recent years, by whom and in what context? Also in what year was he sainted? Besides these few minor points, it's a good article. Address these concerns and leave a message here when completed and the review will procede. If nothing is done in a reasonable period of time the article could fail it's nomination.-- William Thweatt Talk | Contribs 05:40, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks to everybody for your work so far. Some ways to further improve the article might include expansion of the "legacy" section to include any modern studies, opinions, etc. concerning his relevance to the modern Christian and some general fleshing out of the details of the other sections.-- William Thweatt Talk | Contribs 03:40, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Is it proper to state that Maximus died of "natural causes" after being "tortured, having his tongue cut out and his right hand cut off"? (I suspect that by "natural causes" this is in contrast to death from murder.) Considering his age, I'd have to suspect that the physical abuse he received must have contributed to his death. I suspect that it would be better to simply write that he died. -- llywrch 04:32, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Two (2) links were detect as requiring assistance, Catholic Forum and Maximus Confessor returned a HTTP 404 status message. — Dispenser 19:25, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
The current lead says "his positions eventually resulted in exile, soon after which he died." As I read the full article, I'm not sure how many exiles there were.
The Trial and exile section says Maximus was "brought back" to Constantinople, then "sent back into exile for four more years." I don't see the word "exile" earlier (though I may have missed it), so I'm unclear how this constitutes "more" years.
When this is clearer, I'd urge reworking the lead slightly along these lines:
Unrelated Q: in the paragraph about Pope Martin, I'm not sure if I understand the last sentence. I don't know this topic and can't fill in the blanks, so rather that being bold, I'll just ask here whether it not be clearer written something like this:
...could have sworn I signed that. Sorry. -- OtherDave 14:45, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
I recommend that this article incorporate the in-depth discussion of Maximus in the following source, which incorporates new insights with older ones not accessible in English-language sources. This article is relatively brief, and could be much expanded by utilizing the it. I would do so myself (and may, eventually), but prefer to allow the original contributor(s) to maintain the article at featured status: Savidan 03:12, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
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No one I know of considers the Life of the Virgin to be an authentic Maximus text. I've put in a reference to the Oxford Handbook of Maximus the Confessor which details why it is considered not to be authentic.
Erenaeoth ( talk) 11:17, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
There is currently an ongoing debate as to whether Maximus grew up in Constantinople or Palestine. Pauline Allen and others believe Palestine is more likely, Andrew Louth and others believe Constantinople is more likely. At some point someone should probably add in some clarifications and nuance to the article with references to reflect this.
Erenaeoth ( talk) 11:15, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
In the Writings section, there is no entry for Chapters on Knowledge, and I haven't added it because I haven't found the original title (and there seems to be a couple ways that could have been written in Latin). So perhaps if someone knows the title, they can add the text that is cited widely, including in:
- https://books.google.com/books?id=JKkgCwAAQBAJ&pg=PT106 The End of the Timeless God, Mullins, Oxford U Press, p. 42
- http://www.monachos.net/content/patristics/patristictexts/184#76
- It is referred to as 100 Chapters of Knowledge here: http://www.johnsanidopoulos.com/2014/01/saint-maximus-confessor-as-model-for.html
- And then all these https://www.google.com/search?q=maximus+the+confessor+"chapters+on+knowledge"
Perhaps "on Knowledge" is the same as the work already listed, Capita theologica et oeconomica (Chapters on Theology and the Economy) because it too had 100 chapters, but that entry indicates that a work of 100 short sayings was not unusual in the time of Maximus. Bob Enyart, Denver KGOV radio host ( talk) 16:28, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
Please correct me if I am wrong, but when the article discusses Dionysius the Areopagite in:
' It was there that he came under the tutelage of Saint Sophronius, and began studying in detail with him the Christological writings of Gregory of Nazianzus and Dionysius the Areopagite.'
It makes a small error. The mystical writings attributed to Dionysius the Areopagite actually come from a 5th or 6th-century writer known as Pseudo-Dionysius who wrote in Saint Dionysius's style.
[1] Minorh ( talk) 14:50, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
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This just does not read well. There is a paragraph completely unsourced. The Reception is an add decision that could probably get removed. This could just need a huge overhaul. GamerPro64 03:40, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
In addition to the comments above, there is MOS:SANDWICH and a large list at Further reading, which suggests the article is not comprehensive. A Featured article review is probably in order here. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 04:13, 22 March 2022 (UTC)