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Are we really sure her voice has been estimated at five octaves? Is this from a legitimate source, I couldn't tell from the citiations.
I'd rather estimations were not included if possible, but the point made that anything else left to go on is rumour, and wildly inaccurate at that, is valid. I've even heard that she's only has one and a half. Again, that's as unsubstantiated from what I can tell as the 'estimation' (what's this estimation based on?) that she has five. I'd rather for sake of clarity have the line: " It has been estimated that she has a five-octave vocal range" and all subsequent variations removed from the article until it is a definite fact. ( StevenEdmondson ( talk) 19:20, 5 August 2008 (UTC))
First: it is not rhythm and blues; it is contemporary R&B. Second: Mariah Carey is a pop/R&B (contemporary, of course) singer, with a hip hop twist in the latest albums. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.196.9.191 ( talk) 16:00, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
I couldn't help but notice there is no mention whatsoever of Mariah's sister Alison [1] in the early life and family section, or anywhere else for that matter... how come?! Why are only her parents and the fact she is the youngest of three nameless children mentioned? Also, interestingly, if you search wikipedia for "Alison Carey" it redirects to Mariah Carey, although there is no mention of Alison on the page whatsoever... weird! Omgplz ( talk) 18:47, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
It says: and Roger Friedman, referring to her as "a Thelma Ritter for the new millennium", said, "Her line delivery is sharp and she manages to get the right laughs"
Sorry but Roger Friedman is NOT a movie critic, He is a news reporter for FOX News, and Fox News is not a movie reviewer. So why is it relevant to have some random news reporter say something about her role? New York Times, Rolling Stone, EW, those are publications that do reviews, not FOX NEWS. Its looks like some Mariah fanboy is trying to dig hard for a reason to say she's a good actress. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dswhite85 ( talk • contribs) 18:09, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I read in a couple of articles that Celine Dion has surpassed record sales of Mariah, according to World Music Awards in 2004. Mariah was awarded the same in 2000. Though the worlwide sales figure of World Music Awards is doubtful and uncertified (since Guiness which seems to be more credible claims Madonna is the best-selling female of all-time), is there still a reason to place the statement in the introduction that Mariah was voted as the best-selling since that has already been broken by Ms. Dion. Any thoughts? Diphosphate8 ( talk) 18:21, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
actually i just checked soundscan and mariah surpassed celine so she is the best selling in the states.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.18.129.62 ( talk) 11:29, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Best selling in the states?!? Are you for real? LOL! Honey, you're refering to Soundscan and that was established only in 1991 so it's not really a good source of album or single sales in the U.S. The only institution that certify single/album sales is RIAA. And according to RIAA, Mariah is the 3rd best-selling only and she's behind Barbra Streisand and Madonna. But when it comes to worldwide figures, the international phonographic federation declared Madonna as the best-selling female.
Now here comes the confusion w/ the World Music Awards. It's an award that's up to now being doubted by the industry cause no one really knows where they get their so-called "worldwide" figures cause apparently there's no global institution that certifies records. In 2000, Mariah was voted as 'the best selling female' but 4 years later, the same award-giving body claimed that Celine Dion was the best-selling female of all-time. So there! Diphosphate8 ( talk) 01:13, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
The best selling female artist..belongs to Madonna. Celine has 2 flops album for the past few years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ewan20s ( talk • contribs) 09:09, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Celine is "The Best Selling Female Recording Artist in World" which means it's just currently (ann how wouldn't she, when she recorded million albums - LoL). She isn't the best in history. When Mariah sang The National Anthem on Superbowl, the speakerman said: "An now, to honor America, performing the national anthem, the best selling female artist in history - ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Marih Carey." User:Iggy Ax ( talk) 16:11, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
-- PatrickDion22 ( talk) 07:43, 9 July 2008 (UTC)Celine Dion is currently the best selling female artist of all time. She was presented with the Chopard Diamond Award in 2004 for ammassing over 175 million albums wordwide. In April, 2007 Sony BMG stated that Celine has sold in excess of 200 million albums. This doesn't even include her French albums before she signed with Sony in 1986.
Wrong! The world Music Awards gives out that award to artist who have sold in excess of 100 million records, not to the best selling artist of all time. Madonna is cited by various sources, not just her record company to be the best selling female artist of all time, which still isn't necessarily true.
PhoenixPrince (
talk) 07:43, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
No, Mariah and Celine were presented with the Chopard Diamond Award in 2000 and 2004 respectively, and they were cited all over the world as being the "best selling female artists in the world" in their respective years. By 2004, Celine had sold over 175 million albums worldwide, and that was referenced at the World Music Awards. Today, she has sold over 200 million albums and IS the best selling female artist ever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PatrickDion22 ( talk • contribs) 18:38, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Do you have a source that says Celine Dion is the best selling female in the world, better yet more then one source other then her record company, because there are tons of sources that say Madonna owns that tittle and not to mention other female artists who have been like Alla Pugacheva who is cited as selling over 250 million albums, Cher is cited as selling over 200 million albums, and Nana Mouskouri who is cited as selling over 300 million albums. In other words these inaccurate and unverifiable claims of who is the best selling female musician in the world are irrelevant and I'll make it my personal duty to edit them in a manner that better reflects the truth. PhoenixPrince ( talk) 00:52, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
First of all, you do not have the authority to "make it your personal duty to edit" anything. Celine Dion is a featured article and people constantly making edits will compromise the legitimacy of this article. Just because you do not approve of what is on this article does not mean you have the right to change everything. Your account may be deleted. PatrickDion22 ( talk) 22:07, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Umm last time I checked, wikipedia was open to any user who felt it was suitable to change information deemed "unencyclopedic", or POV and since saying making a claim that Celine Dion is the best selling artist in the world is not factual, I have the authority to remove it. Are you familiar with the rules? If the article is featured then that means that the information should be correct and if its not anyone can feel free to edit it until it's right. Don't threaten me with deletion,your not an administrator, you don't even have a user page.
PhoenixPrince (
talk) 22:58, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
You are proving my point with every word you write. You have no proof whatsoever that the statement is wrong. There have been no qualms with the Diamond Award statement before you came along, and I get the feeling that you are only changing the statement for personal reasons. If you continue to edit a statement that doesn't need any changing then I will submit your name to an administrator. PatrickDion22 ( talk) 01:32, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
I do have proof, it's on the WMA website, out of the horses nouth. Just because no one else caught it doesn't mean it's not wrong.But wait you don't have to contact an administrator I'll do it myself. PhoenixPrince ( talk) 06:55, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
This article needs a going-over if it is going to keep its featured article status. There are problems with the references, as well as some grammatical and factual errors. There should also be a picture in the infobox. Save-Me-Oprah ( talk) 22:55, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Practically half the section is filled with "citation needed". Where are the sources? This is obviously some Mariah fan's opinions, hence the lack of sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.150.72.105 ( talk) 20:38, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
I agree, this article has become a fansite. A fan's opinion on her themes and music. There are plenty of critics that talk about her work in their reviews, yet everything says "citation needed" because its a FAN's opinion, which obviously is blinded and biased. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dswhite85 ( talk • contribs) 21:13, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Taller is better ( talk) 17:36, 25 February 2008 (UTC)Taller is better
Is Carey a hip hop singer? Her remixes seem like she is rap-singing. I'm not sure. Charmed36 ( talk) 17:24, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
From When the Music Stops (by D12/Eminem), Eminem raps:
Before I do that, I beg Mariah to take me back
Not sure if this really helps Mariah's article at all, but it's worth mentioning in case someone wants to add their relationship (if it's even true) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.53.223.97 ( talk) 00:13, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
I am fed up of restoring Image:Mariah Carey in Holland in 1998.jpg. So, anyone removing free images and putting fair use will be blocked. Vikrant 12:29, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
I think it's pretty rediculous that the same picture has been on this page forever. Several times people have tried to update the image and it continues to return to this same old picture from 10 years ago. It is not an accurate picture of what Mariah looks like, and with the many tours and appearances that she's done since this picture was taken, there is absolutely NO reason why another picture can't be found. I encourage the higher ups on this site to block the person(s) who insists on having this same picture rather than finding one that is both appropriate and more accurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 127.0.0.1 ( talk)
I saw it and she didn't say she was bor in 1970, she just laughed. Maybe she was hiding that she got held back at school for all I know of. Then she would have graduated at 19 and this would hav happened when she was 21 instead of 20. I don't really know, even though I am a big fan whether she is 37 or 38, so the video didn't provide any proof. -- RayquazaDialgaWeird2210 ( talk) 13:46, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
I think I can finally confirm that Mariah was born in 1969 because I was watching Making the video for Touch My Body and she just mentioned that her and Brett Ratner were born a DAY apart and he was born Mariah 28 1969..and he also mentioned that "Mariah was born the day before me" so really if they were a year apart they might have mentioned that so I guess Mariah was born in 1969. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.221.65 ( talk) 18:55, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
The article is looking a lot better than it did a couple of months ago in terms of the quality of the writing. Good job. At the same time, there are still a lot of facts that have no references. I marked a bunch of them. Maybe a few of them are excessive, but you would have to agree that some more work needs to be done if you are going to include specific facts like piano lessons at six and $28 million contracts. Tkurt ( talk) 21:35, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree, there are a lot of uncited claims. If she SAYS something, then there should be proof of that somewhere on the net. Eg. "Carey said that she cannot read sheet music and prefers to collaborate with a pianist when composing her material, but feels that it is easier to experiment with faster and less conventional melodies and chord progressions using this technique". If she indeed made that statement, it shouldn't be hard for you to find a source for it. Otherwise it just appears as if some fan just added it in as their own opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Taller is better ( talk • contribs) 15:45, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
I know my supplied source is a valid one. It is the U.S Copyright Association (a government office) who has that record. Please do not remove the date of birth 1969 unless your valid reason is made know. As much as I love Mariah Carey and her music, this seems to be her real age. You did not supply any source, therefore, I have no choice but to change the year of birth back to 1969.-- -¤÷(`[¤*M*¤]´)÷¤- ( talk) 01:43, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
At the Oprah Winfrey Show interview in 1999 Mariah's mom said that Mariah was born in 1970, saying "and in 1969 we where in that neighborhood and in 1970 when she was born (meaning Mariah) we moved out of the neighborhood" —Preceding unsigned comment added by F9o0oly ( talk • contribs) 17:37, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Can anybody explain to me why the sound box with the Honey file was removed? Reidlos ( talk) 01:48, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
http://mariacareyvideos.blogspot.com/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pinaubo22A ( talk • contribs) 00:01, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Hello, everyone. The following sentence caught my attention: "Carey co-wrote the tracks on her 1990 debut album Mariah Carey, and she has continued to co-write the majority of her material since." Don't you agree that it would be more accurate to say that Carey continued to co-write ALL of her ORIGINAL material? If you check the credits of her entire discography, the only tracks she didn't co-write were the revivals (The Wind, I'll Be There, Without You, Open Arms, The Beautiful Ones, Against All Odds, one or more in Glitter, and Bringin' on the Heartbreak). Hope you all give this a thought, because songwriting is an important aspect of her artistry and therefore deserves this kind of attention. Thanks. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.83.141.79 ( talk) 21:17, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
All the more reason to give her credit. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.83.141.79 ( talk) 05:08, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
It's a fairly standard technique in the music industry, that when someone supplies a new song, an established performer demands a co-writing credit before agreeing to record it. The real writer acquiesces - better to receive half the royalties for a song that sells millions, than all the royalties for a song that goes nowhere. Carey may indeed receive a co-writing *credit* for all original material. This does not ncessarily mean that she actually *co-writes* all or any of it. AuntFlo ( talk) 03:15, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
If you went pass want her misunderstood public persona, then you would have found that she writes the lyrics and melodies herself. She only needs a pianist so she can work faster because she has said that she is a weak piano player. Only in recent years has she really started writing lyrics and creating melodies with other people, but she still is doing the mojority of the work. She has been writing since her early teen years.
Mariah Carey has always been touted as writing or co writing her own material, that's a big part of her image, and most of it is co written with Walter Afansieff. PhoenixPrince ( talk) 00:58, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Mariah Carey's entire range is more or less 5 octaves, able to emmit several low notes like A2 (My All[harmonyzed]), B2 (My All[Studio]), C3 (Emotions) and incredible high notes, among these, there are notes like B6 (Star Splanged Banner, Someday), C7 (Bringing on the Heartbreak), D7 (There's Got to Be a Way), E7 (Emotions), F7 (All in Your Mind), G#7 (Emotions live on Arsenio Hall and MTV Awards). So counting from A2 to G#7 we will see that there are 5 octaves in range. This includes chest voice (A2-A5), head voice (Bb5-D6) and Whistle Register (Eb6-F7).
That old HS pic is really nice! It really looks like Mariah!!! Cool! And I believe the yearbook states that she was born 1969. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.225.92.93 ( talk) 02:02, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
No one has the yearbook. When someone can supply her birth certificate or a real ID card, then that is acceptable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.199.200.240 ( talk) 05:32, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
I made a userbox for us :)
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Feel free to copy and spread around!
Mariah-Yulia (
talk) 22:30, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Some of the text you're deleting was hashed and rehashed and re-rehashed over a year ago. Billboard's having reduced Presley's total from 18 to 17 number ones is a volatile topic in the chart-watching world. Check the Mariah Carey edit log, then keep the "for the most number-ones by a solo act according to Billboard magazine's revised methodology (their statistician Joel Whitburn still credits Presley with an eighteenth)" wording, which provides concise and accurate context, and which was the end result of much past discussion. Other text is unnecessarily wordy, such as "therefore" passing Presley (we all know that 18 is higher than 17) and "she is now second only to" the Beatles (ditto 20 and 18). Citations 74 and 75 duplicated chart information, so I deleted the first. #76 (all Australian #1s ever), and #77 (all Japanese #1s by non-Japanese) appear to be sound. If you have any other concerns, please feel free to address them. One Sweet Edit ( talk) 00:58, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
SKS2K6 ( talk) 17:54, 4 April 2008 (UTC)On the Best Sellers chart, two-sided singles were considered one entry, or one hit. Just as in later years on the Hot 100 "It's Too Late" / "I Feel the Earth Move" by Carole King would be considered one No. 1 single and not two; or just as "Candle in the Wind 1997" / "Something About the Way You Look Tonight" by Elton John was one No. 1 single and not two, Elvis Presley's "Don't Be Cruel" / "Hound Dog" counts as one No. 1 hit and not two. [...] Because "Don't Be Cruel" and "Hound Dog," two sides of the same single, charted separately on the airplay and juke box charts, Whitburn counts them as two No. 1 hits. That's why Billboard reports 17 No. 1 hits for Elvis and Whitburn comes up with 18.
I've replaced the reference to the "18/17" discrepancy, as per the above. One further bit of "inside baseball"-style subtrivia regarding Billboard's shifting methodology: although Billboard officially "de-certified" one half of the "Don't Be Cruel"/"Hound Dog" pairing for #1 counting purposes, they continue to list it as having been #1 for 11 weeks, a total which is only possible by combining the chart runs for both sides of the single. It's a bookkeeping mess. One Sweet Edit ( talk) 13:02, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
This entire statement is unnecessary, if Diana Ross technically had 18 number one singles, she'd have eighteen number one singles period. The billboard charts are all very technical. If this is worth mentioning then why not include the nine number one singles Paul McCartney had outside of the beatles which makes his total 29. It serves no purpose really. 69.209.220.63 ( talk) 19:23, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
"Although technically, Diana Ross has sung the lead vocal on eighteen number-one singles, she sang twelve of them as the lead singer of the Supremes, and, therefore, is not typically listed as the vocalist of eighteen charted number-ones. If this were the case, Mariah Carey has matched her success, as well."
"According to most sources, she has a five-octave vocal range, though some credit her with seven or eight octaves."
OK, shouldn't it be clarified that NO CREDITABLE SOURCE has said that she has these seven and eight octaves? These were mostly ridiculous claims by Sony trying to promote her.
"According to The Guinness Book of Records, there is no other singer who can hold a higher note than Carey."
What ever happened to Georgia Brown?
If Mariah's album "Music Box" has sold a total of 30 million albums, why is it then that Madonna's "The Immaculate Collection" (21 million copies) is no.30 on the All-time United World Album Chart and Mariah's Music Box is at No.47 on the same chart? [8] I think you will find that the figures shown are inaccurate and are a gross exaggeration as the European sales have been added twice. This brings the album down to 20 million copies which explains the lower positioning on the UWC. JWAD ( talk) PS just because a PR or record company statement claims it is 30 million doesn't mean it accurate!
I agree. People keep adding "30 million copies sold" and do so WITHOUT any valid sources. It is vandalism and provides false information to readers. PatrickDion22 ( talk) 18:56, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Hello there. I saw this image of Mariah performing at the Grammys and its free. Check it out. -- Efe ( talk) 04:49, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
I have put the one I think is my favorite, but reasonable minds can differ and I'll let the regular editors of the article decide which of these should be the lead. Carey is *very* particular about images (just FYI). Happy Editing --David Shankbone 18:23, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Confirmed: Mariah Carey & Nick Cannon Engaged! jengod ( talk) 22:56, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
If someon finds a reliable source (NOT a tabloid publication) to confirm (NOT speculate with words such as reportedly) that she is married, plase insert it and reference it to the appropriate article. Until then, do not add this speculation to the article and please remember that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a primary source for all things Mariah.
Thanks! SWik78 ( talk • contribs) 15:58, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
WP:BLP is one of the strictest guidelines imposed on Wikipedia articles due to the sensitivity and potential harm that can be done by incorrect information. As stated in the policy itself:
We must get the article right. Be very firm about the use of high quality references. Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons — whether the material is negative, positive, or just questionable — should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion, from Wikipedia articles, talk pages, user pages, and project space.
Entertainment Tonight loses nothing if their latest gossip turns out to be incorrect but Wikipedia does. Therefore, the press coverage in this case is unreliebale to warrant an inclusion into the article. SWik78 ( talk • contribs) 16:57, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Since Yahoo News (not a tabloid publication) is reporting that Cannon and Carey married, shouldn't it be okay to post? --Dave 13:35, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Umm....if she is married to Nick Cannon, wich I believe everyone has established, her name, I guess would be Mariah Carey-Cannon. Or something of that nature. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.179.39.221 ( talk) 11:49, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
I believe Georgia Brown is the female with the highest range a (G10) Mariah's highest recorded note is A7
Noir227 ( talk) 21:54, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
We'll need to list spouse Nick Cannon on the info. I don't have permission to do so. -Spencer,Leon 15:17, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Source: Yahoo! - [12] -Spencer,Leon 15:18, 10 May 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spencer leon ( talk • contribs)
It's Mrs. Mariah Cannon. =] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.19.88.158 ( talk) 02:09, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Should we put Barbra Streisand and Madonna's name in the line "Mariah is the third best-selling female in the U.S., behind Barbra Streisand and Madonna, per RIAA" or "Per IFPI, she is the third biggest-selling female singer worldwide, behind Madonna and Celine Dion, with estimated sales of 160 million albums?" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.225.92.93 ( talk) 21:16, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Is there any way we can get consensus about the use of hip hop on this article? Currently we have a near daily addition/removal of the category from her info box and the lead paragraph.
Could everyone please agree to leave the page as is until consensus is reached? Once we have that we can comment the relevant places and stop this tedious revert war.
To begin with; are there any good, solid, reputable cites that describe Carey as a hip hop artist? -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 09:31, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Many of Mariah Carey's albums have hip hop influences, for instance "Mariah Carey" has Someday(new jack swing) and she can be hear rapping on Prisoner, Daydream has elements of hip ho. Butterfly, Rainbow, Glitter and Charmbracelet all have heavy influences of hip hop, and The more recent TEOMM is predominately hip hop and RnB. E=MC2 is a complete hip hop/rnb album. I don't think it would be right if you were to exclude hip hp as one of her genres seeing as that she has slowly yet surely evolved into a full fledged hip-hop/rnb artist. Her music is going to continue down this path so you might as well classify it as it is and not as what you want it, or don't want it, to be. PhoenixPrince ( talk) 03:02, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
If a significant amount of her current music is hip hop and she gets a significant amount of hip hop airplay, and critics and newscasters and the like cite her as an hip hop/rnb artist, more then likely she is. 69.209.199.91 ( talk) 02:20, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
it says mariah on mumerous websites...wheather there reliable or not that she is "dramatic" coloratura soprano...Dramatic Coloratura: The hardest sopranos to find because they’re voices have the power and stamina of a Dramatic Soprano to sing over large orchestras but also the range and agility of a Piccolo. They can normally sing up to Bb6 as well (Mariah Carey and Rachelle Ferrell)
source: http://bellsouthpwp.net/h/a/hamidmahdi/Downloads/VOICETYPES.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lilruthlessplaya ( talk • contribs) 15:05, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be a section in here on her influence? PhoenixPrince ( talk) 02:48, 17 July 2008 (UTC) She is defenitely not The Voice. She is just one lipsyncing plastic diva —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.162.181.138 ( talk) 02:23, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Can someone please fix the grammar error in the first line: an Grammy-award winning artist. It winds up right at the top of Google's search results - ouch! Thank you! - Heduanna
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