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For the record, here's a list of links that I perceive as problematic in MOS:SUBMARINE terms. I won't promise it's exhaustive, but I used a regular expression search to examine every one of the 251 piped links in the article, so it should be pretty close. I was intentionally and explicitly overzealous in compiling it; IOW, I call out plenty of links here that in any other circumstances I would most likely ignore or even be fine with. The list is, of course, subjective, debatable, and solely representative of my personal opinion; YMMV, void where prohibited, etc.
All links are listed in the same order they appear in the article source.
[[Bolshevik–Makhnovist conflict|political and military conflict]]
[[Starobilsk agreement|peace agreement]]
[[Stolypin reform|agrarian reforms]]
[[Obshchina|traditional communes]]
(I'm somewhat on the fence about this one)[[Zemstvo|local governments]]
(ditto)[[Antisemitism in Ukraine|antisemitism]]
[[First Universal of the Ukrainian Central Council|declared the autonomy]]
[[Ukrainian Social Democratic Labour Party|social democrats]]
[[Ukrainian Socialist-Revolutionary Party|socialist revolutionaries]]
[[International Workers' Day|May Day demonstration]]
(Ironically, it's the inclusion of "demonstration" in the link text, here, that I would object to. The article is not about a demonstration.)[[July Days|workers' uprising]]
[[Black Guards|armed anarchist detachments]]
[[Third Universal of the Ukrainian Central Council|declared the autonomy of Ukraine]]
[[Soviet–Ukrainian War|civil war]]
[[April Theses|all power to the soviets]]
[[Aleksandrovsk Bolshevik Uprising|capture]]
[[Battle of Kiev (1918)|captured]]
[[Treaty of Brest-Litovsk (Ukraine–Central Powers)|peace treaty]]
[[Treaty of Brest-Litovsk|peace treaty]]
[[Battle of Dibrivka|defeated the occupation forces in battle]]
[[Ukraine Offensive (1919)|invade Ukraine]]
[[Political repression in the Soviet Union|repression]]
[[Prodrazvyorstka|food requisitioning]]
(as with the earlier links, I'm 50/50 on this; I'd need to check guidelines regarding translated terms)[[Pogroms of the Russian Civil War|antisemitic pogroms]]
[[Battle for the Donbas (1919)|Donbas]]
[[Prodrazvyorstka|food requisitioning]]
(again)[[Starobilsk agreement|Political Agreement]]
[[Political repression in the Soviet Union|political repression]]
[[free soviets|institutions]]
[[Army of Wrangel|Russian Army]]
[[soviet (council)|free soviets]]
(especially nonsensical as the actual article
free soviets is linked here multiple times, via both its actual title and other names)[[List of political parties in Russia#Soviet parties, 1917–1992|political parties]]
(iffy)[[Draft Declaration of the Revolutionary Insurgent Army of Ukraine|declared]]
[[Russian Civil War|war]]
(easily fixed by just removing the pipe)[[Freedom of the press in Ukraine|freedom of the press]]
(a problem mostly because every other time various civil rights concepts are mentioned in the article, even immediately adjacent this link, the link goes to a generic article on the right itself)[[Russian Revolution|Revolution]]
(again, easily fixed by removing the pipe)[[Dunbar's number|around 200 members]]
(← WINNER!! Ladies, gentlemen, and non-binary Wikipedians, feast your eyes on The Most Egregious Submarine Link In The Article™!)[[Anarcho-communism|well-being for everybody]]
[[Makhnovist ruble|their own money]]
(not even 50/50, I'd lean towards letting this go)[[Banking in Ukraine|banks]]
(This article's timeframe is 100 years ago; how is an article that only goes as far back as 1991 relevant at all?)[[Korean People's Association in Manchuria|Shinmin Autonomous Zone]]
(piped links do not belong in see also, given that the section is for referencing other relevant articles — why would it make sense to list those under any name other than the actual article title?)FeRDNYC ( talk) 06:10, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
A clear majority of reliable sources on the subject of anarchist communism itself, as well as on this event use the word "anarchist communism", not the neologism "anarcho-communism". Is there a reason that this article does so? Outside of not reflecting the scholarly work on this subject, this goes against the guidance of MOS:NEO. :3 F4U ( they /it) 14:31, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
<Makhno claimed to have said to Lenin: “Anarcho-communists in the Ukraine (or, since you Communist-Bolsheviks attempt to shun the word Ukraine and call her ‘the South of Russia’) — anarcho-communists in this ‘South of Russia’...”>-- Grnrchst ( talk) 08:29, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
I strongly disagree with the removal of the “former country infobox” that used to be on this article. I have issues with the reasons given for such a removal:
1. The movement had no permanent borders This is not a requirement for a state to exist. Many states have existed with constantly fluctuating or unclear borders throughout history (look at the Turkic empires of central Asia for an example). And yes, I realize that the definition of a “state” is contentious, but in no definition I have seen are “permanent” borders part of it.
2. They were an anarchist movement, and anarchists are stateless Wow, quite a can of worms here. They were an anarchist movement, sure, but it doesn’t mean that they successfully established anarchism. In fact, this very article states that the purpose of Makhnovshchina was to create an anarchist society, not that it WAS one. And finally, this article also mentions military, economic, and governmental institutions that Makhnovshchina ran under; these are all hallmarks of a state system.
Now obviously, Makhnovshchina wasn’t the most centralized, stable, or “stately” state out there, but it was a state nonetheless. Therefore, I believe the removed infobox should be brought back. 296cherry ( talk) 01:54, 22 September 2023 (UTC)