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Why in the world do Lutherans not like the Moose? This needs explaining. 2A00:23C3:E284:900:6976:E4A:B105:6F61 ( talk) 22:27, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
I think the History section is linking to the wrong article regarding the founder. The linked "John Henry Wilson" was a Canadian politician whose entire career appears to have taken place in Canada. He was reelected to Parliament the year before he supposedly started a men's social club in Kentucky. I'm guessing this is a case of mistaken ID? But I happened across this page and don't know enough about this organization to refute. 2601:14A:4500:C970:2D19:A0E5:B3F0:E7B8 ( talk) 21:05, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
I'm looking for a sample survey of lodge members to determine what like, want or need to become a better lodge.----
I don't have time for a full review, but the incoherent first sentence to this article--"The Loyal Order of Moose is a fraternal and service organization founded in 1888, consisting of the , with nearly 1 million men in roughly 2,400 Lodges, in all 50 U.S. states and four Canadian provinces plus Bermuda; along with its female auxiliary, Women of the Moose with more than 400,000 members in roughly 1,600 Chapters in the same areas and the Loyal Order of Moose in Britain these organizations make up the Moose International."--makes me think it's probably not ready for GA. I'd suggest a thorough copyedit before a formal review starts. Thanks for your efforts on this one! -- Khazar2 ( talk) 12:00, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
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Reviewer: North8000 ( talk · contribs) 16:15, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
I am starting a review of this article North8000 ( talk) 16:15, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
In one place it says: "had 558, 57 members". I think that it is a missing digit, but it could be a mis-placed comma. The reference is off-line or I would have fixed. Can you fix? North8000 ( talk) 12:12, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
It has " worship Him as they conscience dictates" in a quote. "They" looks like a grammatical error but might be an accurate quote. Could you check? North8000 ( talk) 12:17, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
It mentions the 1925 lawsuit but not the result. Would you be able to add this info? North8000 ( talk) 12:20, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
http://books.google.com/books?id=P2ViDnNezq4C&pg=PA76&dq=Independent,+Benevolent+and+Protective+Order+of+Moose&hl=en&sa=X&ei=B5z-UvySHMr02QX-1YCgDQ&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Independent%2C%20Benevolent%20and%20Protective%20Order%20of%20Moose&f=false Has some information on the subject.-- Bellerophon5685 ( talk) 22:45, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
this link states that it was a female organization.
The images are photos of the outside of two local lodges. Knowing how hard the gauntlet is to get relevant images into Wikipedia, I'm inclined to consider that enough to pass the "illustrated by images" criteria. But would it be feasible to add any that apply in general. E.G. of their national facilities, their log etc.? North8000 ( talk) 14:26, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
This is a very large organization, but where it appears that a large portion of what happens happens at the local lodges. What do you think about the idea of covering a bit more about what happens there (meetings, events etc.) Do you think that this is a good and do-able idea? North8000 ( talk) 02:52, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
Well-written
Factually accurate and verifiable
Broad in its coverage
Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without bias, giving due weight to each
Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute
Illustrated, if possible, by images
Been a month since anything of note has happened. Are we just waiting on the book or are there other issues? Wizardman 18:48, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
Congratulations, this has passed as a Wikipedia good article. Suggestions for future development is additional coverage at what happens routinely at the local lodges. Also a few more images of national facilities, logo etc. would be a nice addition. Nice work! Sincerely, North8000 ( talk) 20:53, 15 February 2014 (UTC) Reviewer
I added the date July 24, 1913 for the Gustin-Kenny incident and I would like to add the reference "Southern Reporter vol. 80, p. 86" but I can't get the Wikipedia reference feature to work without error. Bhami ( talk) 18:49, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
(This is "repeated" here for when the review is no longer transcluded. Congratulations, this has passed as a Wikipedia Good Article. Nice work! Sincerely, North8000 ( talk) 20:57, 15 February 2014 (UTC) GA Reviewer
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I have added the Template:Refimprove section to the "Notable Moose members" section. Every person except Albert MacDade included is included on the basis of a website run by the Loyal Order of Moose. I am sure the LOoM makes a good-faith attempt to have an accurate list of famous members, but there is little incentive for them to get it right, and historical research is a distraction from their main mission.
While the website may very well be accurate, it edges on WP:ABOUTSELF territory. Because the website seems of questionable reliability, I would like to see additional sources added to the section. Thanks, 96.227.134.54 ( talk) 07:22, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
This article does not give sufficient weight to the Moose Lodge's history of racial and gender discrimination. A search of Google scholar and Newspapers.com shows that reliable sources give great weight to the discrimination issue, but this is barely reflected in the article. Until the discrimation section is substantially expanded, the article fails the WP:NPOV requirements in WP:GACR#4 — BillHPike ( talk, contribs) 19:52, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
‘Sex discrimination’ is not an issue here. This is a men’s club. What needs expanding is the info on their racial policies. The intro states that they gave up segregation in the 1980’s but there is no citing of any source for this. The last mention of race issues is the Supreme Court upholding their right to do it. More needed. 2A00:23C3:E284:900:6976:E4A:B105:6F61 ( talk) 22:25, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
I was the GA reviewer. The relevant GA criteria is "Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each." This criteria is about bias, not that the article is 100% complete in covering all appropriate areas. Similar to my comment in the review...another area for expansion would be coverage of what happens at their facilities and activities. But again, did not see areas that could use expansion as a reason to deny GA. Sincerely, North8000 (
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I did a search and didn't find much. It appears that they just followed the evolution of US society.....discrimination that faded out as the civil rights act took hold. One notable instance of an exclusion in 1972 that was covered in the article and another instance in 1994 where they made no claim to exclude or be able to exclude based on race, but where such was suspected. North8000 ( talk) 15:42, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
The Moose Organization is open to every person regardless of race, religious beliefs, sexual orientation, or gender. Moose Organizations do not discriminate against anyone who is of good character. Applicants must have a sponsor. 2600:1702:4870:7CD0:823C:C7BA:746F:6505 ( talk) 00:04, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
Please see https://www.mooseintl.org/one-moose-a-reality/ and related pages. Naraht ( talk) 14:31, 11 April 2023 (UTC)