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Addition of a missing surname in the Gujarati Lohana surnames list in the table. Missing surname: Lukka
43.249.228.9 (
talk) 20:18, 25 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Not done: please provide
reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.
ayakanaa (
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c ) 03:23, 3 November 2023 (UTC)reply
The Lohanas claimare divided into many separate cultural groups as a result of centuries apart in different regions. Thus there are significant todifferences bebetween the descendantsculture, language, professions and societies of
LavaGujarati the son ofLohanas,
Sindhi Lohanas, and to descend from the
RaghuvamshaKutchi dynastyLohanas.
Whereas some claim brahminical lineage in chaurishi gotra Chaurasia community from northern Indian which claim Brahmin lineage from saint chaurishi and have some surnames in common [1] The Lohanas are divided into many separate cultural groups as a result of centuries apart in different regions. Thus there are significant differences between the culture, language, professions and societies of
Gujarati Lohanas,
Sindhi Lohanas, and
Kutchi Lohanas.
111.125.240.79 (
talk) 10:01, 28 January 2024 (UTC)reply Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a
"change X to Y" format and provide a
reliable source if appropriate.
GrayStormTalkContributions 15:57, 9 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Please don't spread disinformation without any knowledge no one from Lohana community has made such claims.
Lohanas have nothing to do with Brahmin, Rajput, Vaishya Shudra and Lava-Gujarati Chaurasia etc etc.
Historically and Genetically Lohanas have no connection with them.
Most importantly There is nothing called "Gujarati Lohana community"
Lohanas who are also called Arora Khatri in Punjab is Lahori-Sindhi community from Lahore Sindh Baluchistan in Short Lohanas are immigrants in Gujarat Just like Parsi Irani Community in Gujarat.
Also Lohana is an independent Mercentile Community Just Like Parsi and Punjabi Khatri.
Among Muslims Sunni Memons, Miakhels, and Ismaili Khwaja are Muslim Lohanas.
Note - Baniya, Vaniya, Gujarati vaishnav, Vanik, Jain, Modh, Ghanchi, Soni, Baniya, Agarwal, maheshwari etc etc are DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES.
also there's nothing called "Gujarati Lohana"
Sagar Raithatha (
talk) 13:33, 21 February 2024 (UTC)reply
References
^Lachaier, Pierre. "Cérémonies D'hommage à Sarasvatī Et Aides à L'éducation Chez Les Lohāṇā De Pune." Bulletin De L'École Française D'Extrême-Orient 94 (2007): 27-58. Accessed November 2, 2020.
http://www.jstor.org/stable/43733204.
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Gotitbro Even by ignoring if the Muslim convert groups of this social group are counted or not, are you familiar with the existence of Sindhi Hindus in Pakistan? Most of them are Lohanas as clearly stated so in the article, which makes the "Indian" label undue.
Codenamewolf (
talk) 19:29, 30 January 2024 (UTC)reply
That is not stated anywhere in the article and most Sindhi Hindus in Pakistan are not Lohanas (most of them are from other lower caste groups [reading from Schaflechner in the biblio]), the vast majority having migrated to India pre and post-partition. The description as such would also still not fall under
WP:UNDUE, anyhow I will edit the lead to accomodate the different regions (it appears from Schaflechner that a few Lohanas still remain in Pakistan).
Gotitbro (
talk) 19:46, 30 January 2024 (UTC)reply
You can still come across many carrying the surnames listed here in urban areas of Sindh atleast, (I know one irl). Additionally, communities of Muslim convert groups (Dawoodi Bohras, Memons) also exist. Anyways, the current lead seems sufficient
Codenamewolf (
talk) 20:20, 30 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Sources treat the Bohras and Memons communities separately and Lohanas are only one of the theoritical origins of those groups (the communities themselves do not necessarily ascribe their origins as such). About Lohanas in urban Sindh, yes those are likely from the remaining populace that did not migrate (also even post-partition quite a few upper-caste Hindu groups did remain in rural (
Thar Desert) Sindh but most of them also migrated to India following the 1965 war: see
Hasan and Raza).
Gotitbro (
talk) 20:37, 30 January 2024 (UTC)reply
In that case, adjusting the lead to look more like the
Khatri article would make sense
Codenamewolf (
talk) 21:56, 30 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Bohras are not Lohanas..while Sunni Memons Shia Ismaili Khwaja and Miakhels are Muslim Lohanas..
Sagar Raithatha (
talk) 06:33, 14 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Lohanas Are Pashtun Lohanis ( Tarukhel Miakhel Pavindah)
Regarding sources heavily/mainly relying on Burton
It is more suitable to use better sources for sensitive caste related topics.
The colonial administrator Burton is considered highly unreliable especially regarding Sindhi Hindus. He considered Sindhi Hindus & Muslims different races. If you want to read in detail regarding his unreliability on Sindhi Hindus & Sindh related stuff, then check out these academic sources:
1. Shahani, U. (2022). Following Richard Burton: Religious Identity and Difference in Colonial Sindh. Philological Encounters, 7(1-2), 95-128
2. Mairs, R. (2023). Legacies of Alexander in Colonial Sindh: Richard Francis Burton and a “Greek Pot” at Sehwan. Journal of Sindhi Studies, 3(2), 1-22
Sir Calculus (
talk) 07:22, 29 April 2024 (UTC)reply