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bobby moore englang captin world cup winnerY added with ref
sir tevor brooking
Dr
George Carey, 103rd
Archbishop of Canterbury (he held his last communion before retiring as archbishop in the same parish church of Dagenham where he received his first communion at the age of 17)
SirAlf Ramsey, England's World Cup winning football coach , and also player
Martin Peters, scorer of the second goal in the 1966
World Cup Final, who was a Fanshaw schoolboy.
Eva Hart,
Titanic survivor (died 14 February 1996)Y added with ref
Françoise Dior, Nazi who was arrested in Dagenham while living at the home of her secretary Terry Cooper
Tony Adams, Former footballer and captain of Arsenal and England, whose father Alex captained local team Stedfast that played in the Romford and District League, lived in Foxlands Road, Dagenham, and attended Hunters Hall Primary School and Eastbrook Comprehensive School, along with
John Terry, current England captain lived on the Thames View Estate in the Barking side of the Borough
Captain James Cook was also known to have lived in the borough Y added with ref
Jason Leonard, former England Rugby Union prop (who has more international caps than any other forward in history) was from Dagenham and attended Warren School
Vic Barney, Played with Alf Ramsey for Fanshawe Old Boys. First Englishman to play football in Italian Serie A for Napoli 1945/46, Also played pro for Reading, Grimsby, Oxford Utd.
Every entry must have a citation to be included. See
List of people from Leeds for an example of best practice.
MRSC (
talk) 08:39, 9 January 2010 (UTC)reply
New additions
The Anonymous Nun of Barking - a twelfth-century Anglo-Norman poet who wrote a Life of Edward the Confessor
Hi. I appreciate your efforts
here, but I think it's the wrong approach.
WP:CITE demands citations only for contentious material and/or quotes. I don't think the material you removed from that page is particularly contentious. I dislike edit-warring, so please can you restore it. Thank you. --
Dweller (
talk) 14:02, 15 December 2010 (UTC)reply
References are not optional.
MRSC (
talk) 18:45, 15 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Can you please point me to the policy or guideline that insists that uncontroversial material without references should be blanked? You quoted
WP:CITE as your reason for blanking, in your edit summary, which specifically, in its opening section, says the very opposite. --
Dweller (
talk) 21:49, 15 December 2010 (UTC)reply
WP:GRAPEVINE: "Remove any unsourced material to which an editor objects in good faith".
Racconish Tk 22:11, 15 December 2010 (UTC)reply
I don't see that text in
WP:GRAPEVINE. But by citing that, you make my point. It actually reads, "Remove immediately any contentious material about a living person that is unsourced or poorly sourced." This is not contentious material. --
Dweller (
talk) 22:47, 15 December 2010 (UTC)reply
I would tend to remove entries like that per
WP:BURDEN: "The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material. Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed. How quickly this should happen depends on the material and the overall state of the article." Although I would generally add a {{fact}} tag and leave for a couple of days to give the original editor to add the ref. After that, if they can't be bothered, delete at will.
Lozleader (
talk) 23:23, 15 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Oh I just noticed that these entries are in the list at
Talk:List of people from Barking and Dagenham, where it can clearly be seen what needs reffing. That looks like a better approach than putting stuff on the main page.
Lozleader (
talk) 23:26, 15 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Sorry, per
WP:BURDEN, how does saying that someone was born in one borough, rather than (perhaps) another, "damage the reputation of living persons"? No-one is accusing these people of smoking crack cocaine. This is an inappropriate sledgehammer approach, using BLP as an excuse. --
Dweller (
talk) 06:56, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Thanks everyone for dealing with this.
MRSC (
talk) 06:10, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
However, if you would like to discuss policy further please do so on the appropriate policy discussion page, not here.
MRSC (
talk) 07:01, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
I think the guideline and policy alphabetty spaghetti that has been thrown around here (three so far - any more to come?) are all clear. I don't have a problem with the policies. It's your interpretation of them that's bothering me. --
Dweller (
talk) 07:14, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
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Question
Does anyone seriously and in good faith suggest that including living people, without references, in a list of people from Barking and Dagenham is "contentious material" or could "damage the reputation of living persons"? --
Dweller (
talk) 12:16, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply