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Please could you also include
When the ceasefire started (and ended), so that people can see how many rockets were fired at israel during the Hamas announced cease-fire.
What kind of rockets were fired. (possibly also a little post-amble on the known accuracy for each rocket type. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
86.11.79.150 (
talk) 07:54, 22 August 2011 (UTC)reply
Also, can we ad that there is an organisation that is trying to get the media to publish all rocket attacks and that they say they won't publish unless someone is killed. This is why these attacks are not published. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
193.35.248.119 (
talk) 08:42, 22 August 2011 (UTC)reply
On the IDF as a reliable source
I've (twice) edited this article to state the IDF's description of their target as a claim, rather than as simple fact. This isn't something particular against the IDF - no military group is a reliable source on the nature of the targets they hit. It is a blatant opportunity for spin, and it has been used as such by governments on both sides of just about every war. This is not to suggest that we shouldn't report the claim, just that we should report it as a claim if we're using primary sources. --
Nat Gertler (
talk) 18:15, 3 January 2011 (UTC)reply
I took the issue to
the Reliable Sources noticeboard, and at this point the agreement is unanimous that the IDF is not a sufficiently reliable source for the claim that was being made. (There are some differences in what can/should be said, as some felt it wasn't even enough basis to include it as a claim.) --
Nat Gertler (
talk) 02:29, 4 January 2011 (UTC)reply
You might be bursting into an open door. We would probably all agree that if a statement comes only from an army, the statement should be attributed to the army. But if a statement from an army is repeated in multiple reliable sources without being questioned or disputed, then it should be appear as it appears in those reliable sources. The article previously had a statement sourced to the IDF, which, as you correctly noted, is a primary source, and therefore not ideal for use. I replaced that source with a secondary reliable source and changed the text appropriately.
Jalapenos do exist (
talk) 16:03, 4 January 2011 (UTC)reply
Proposed merge with List of Israeli attacks on Palestinian targets, 2011
This is ridiculous. Israel does not attach Palestine, is responds to attacks only, and it does not aim at civilians; Intending to kill civilians is what terrorists do and Israel is not that. — Preceding
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86.11.79.150 (
talk) 07:52, 22 August 2011 (UTC)reply
{{Merge |List of Israeli attacks on Palestinian targets, 2011|target=List of notable events in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, 2011 |discuss=Talk:List of Israeli attacks on Palestinian targets, 2011#Proposed Merge with List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2011|date=January 2011}}
See discussion on the other talk page.
GabrielF (
talk) 04:31, 23 January 2011 (UTC)reply