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The result of the move request was: consensus to move the pages at this time, per the discussion below. Please assist in creating any new redirects that may prove helpful.
Dekimasuよ! 04:49, 8 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Support as obvious and helpful. A few do need tweaking:
Babcock Street, Hawes Street, Newton Centre, Newton Highlands, Riverway, and Woodland (the other article is a redirect to a section of this one) shouldn't need disambiguation.
Watertown Yard doesn't need "station" at all - the article is really more about the yard than the station.
Griggs Street/Long Avenue shouldn't have spaces around the slash per the MOS.
Thanks for all your hard work in proposing this!
Pi.1415926535 (
talk) 01:47, 1 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Gotcha. Should these be added/changed now? –
Daybeers (
talk) 01:57, 1 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Yes, that's probably best. As proposer, you can make the judgement call on Washington Square. Cheers,
Pi.1415926535 (
talk) 02:04, 1 May 2018 (UTC)reply
After looking over your suggestions, I'd like to make a few notes.
Fordham Road, Greycliff Road, and Mount Hood Road shouldn't be moved because that would create a double redirect. New redirects can just be created at
Fordham Road station (MBTA),
Greycliff Road station, and
Mount Hood Road station. The (very few) links to those articles can just be changed, and then the articles with the old disambiguation can be deleted.
The other points have been fixed. Thanks for the input! –
Daybeers (
talk) 02:57, 1 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Fordham Road Station needs to be disambiguated, due to multiple NYC subway lines, Metro North, and MBTA.
Theoallen1 (
talk) 00:30, 3 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Support in general, with the assumption that nom and others will follow through with cleaning up any imperfections that result from the list.
Dicklyon (
talk) 04:59, 1 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Support. I don't see why we wouldn't follow the naming convention.
Grk1011 (
talk) 19:42, 1 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Support. Clear-cut case of following local conventions and the
WP:AT policy. —
seav (
talk) 00:10, 2 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Support per USSTATION. I would also prefer that, for both the titles in this move as well as the titles that were previously moved, "XXX station (MBTA)" be redirected to "XXX station"-style titles in order to aid article navigation.
epicgenius (
talk) 00:19, 2 May 2018 (UTC)reply
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Timeline
{{Lechmere timeline}} is inaccessible and hard to parse even for a sighted person. What would be some better ways to convey this information?
Mackensen(talk) 15:12, 28 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Agreed. The major service shifts - 1922, 1931, 1960s, and the chaos of the 1970s and 1980s - can probably be conveyed with a few sentences of prose, as can the handful of changes this century. We don't have to elaborate on every single service change, especially during the early MBTA years where they changed terminals frequently. I'm planning to write the full histories of the GLX and its stations at some point - probably when the station designs are 100% finalized later this year - and I'll definitely replace this timeline then if not sooner.
Pi.1415926535 (
talk) 02:08, 29 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Station status
@
Pi.1415926535: Sorry, but I have to object to your changes to the article lede. The station still exists and is in service for the same customers, even though train service has been replaced by bus service at the present location. Yes, a new station is under construction and that should be mentioned early in the intro, but that is not the primary meaning of "Lechmere station" at the present time. It is still listed as a functioning station by the MBTA
[1], which is of course a reliable source. I do not object to the photo of the under-construction station as the lede photo, as it is arguably more interesting than a couple of trains or buses and can be updated periodically to reflect progress.--
agr (
talk) 15:33, 27 May 2020 (UTC)reply
@
ArnoldReinhold: I see your point, and I've rewritten the lede to balance the future and former stations.
Pi.1415926535 (
talk) 21:23, 27 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Great, thanks.--
agr (
talk) 12:07, 28 May 2020 (UTC)reply
GA review
Passed.
Sammi Brie (she/her •
t •
c) 02:09, 11 August 2022 (UTC)reply
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Some copy changes, one minor issue with a source, and you'll be good to go. You might find more given how long it's been! 7-day hold. Ping me when done.
Sammi Brie (she/her •
t •
c) 04:26, 10 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Copy changes
Lead
The surface station was closed on May 24, 2020 missing DATECOMMA
Done
Station design
The platform is 8 inches (200 mm) high for accessible boarding on current LRVs, and can be raised to 14 inches (360 mm)... — drop this comma, see
User:Sammi Brie/Commas in sentences. Future errors of this type are denoted (C in S)
Done
History
north end of the viaduct, but rejected — remove comma (C in S)
Done
Unlike the Commonwealth Avenue, Beacon Street, and Huntington Avenue, the Cambridge Street and Bridge Street lines did not have dedicated medians, — consider adding "lines" after "Huntington Avenue"
Done
Question: is the Massachusetts Public Service Commission the same as the Massachusetts Public Utilities Commission or is that an error or something actually different?
It appears that the Utilities Commission replaced the Service Commission in 1919 - see
here. I believe the names are correct for the time periods given.
the construction rest of the terminal was already well underway. Is that a missing "of the" I see?
Done
Cambridge street — capitalize for consistency
Done
The new terminal was expected to be used by 24,000 passengers daily in each direction, and to increase daily seated capacity through the subway by 8,754 passengers. Drop comma (C in S)
Done
In 1924, the BERy indicated that Lechmere was "not fitted to be a permanent transfer station, and while being used as such must fail to satisfy", and recommended an extension to a larger transfer station. (C in S) I'd be fine with a comma here if we had "recommending" instead of "and recommended".
I'm inclined to keep the comma here; because there's a comma in the quote, the comma afterwards makes the sentence structure more clear. I think "recommended" is better to match "indicated".
then follow — should be "then followed"
Done
This routing was deemed safer by the MBTA due to the fewer turns, though it was "extremely inconvenient to inbound passengers." — sentence fragment, so quote before period. See
MOS:INOROUT
Done
for pedestrian from East Cambridge — pedestrians, plural
Done
the state begin planning — "began"
Done
as was elimination of the Union Square Branch and other cost reduction measures — "as were" plural subject
Done
, and 100% in October 2019 — remove comma (C in S)
Done
This was delayed in June 2021 to a December 2021 opening, and in October 2021 to a March 2022 opening — remove comma (C in S)
Again, I'm inclined to keep the comma - without it, having four dates in close succession might be difficult to parse. I think the increased clarity outweighs the grammatical misdemeanor.
Source spot checks
I chose 12 of the 156 reference numbers at random for spot checks. All check out; one seems to need a bit of reconciling with the source.
30: Map - Description seems adequate.
33: Cambridge objection to loop track
39: Cost of elevated railway at $100,000
50: Mention of "improved waiting room facilities" in BERy report
63: Opening date (4/23/41) of parking lot
66: 1961 service changes
68: 1984 service changes due to line congestion (in footnote)
86: Inadequacy of streetcars, proposed line rerouting
103: Urban Ring fact sheet with "New Lechmere" as a station
114: 2012 signing of pact
117: One of two references for 2013 MassDOT contract award
148: April meeting mentions 5 of 9 central instrument houses installed (5, not 1, making it different from "a signal instrument house" mentioned in article)
Yeah, it's a bit confusing. Source 147, the
April meeting page 19, specifically calls out the Lechmere house as being installed (and shows a photo). Source 148, the May meeting, mentioned 5 being installed but doesn't mention locations. I think "signal instrument house" is a good term to clarify that it's for the signal system; that phrase is used in
the technical provisions (page 11.4-1 etc).
Other
All images are appropriately licensed and have alt text. You know how to steal my heart!
Someday I'll manage to get alt text added to the GA criteria!
References aren't archived, but I remember from reviewing
Green Line Extension that this is your personal choice, so I'm not going to require it here.
Earwig catches names of organizations and things like "Green Line Northwest Corridor"; no significant issues.
Review in progress
@
Sammi Brie: Thanks for the detailed review! I've fixed most of the items you've commented on, and replied to the remaining few.
Pi.1415926535 (
talk) 23:09, 10 August 2022 (UTC)reply
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