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What's up with this? "MAJORLY AND COMPLETLY flawed from the beginning" "...stable for another 300 years.WOW" I don't think that the caps are very Wikipedia-ish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.62.134.83 ( talk) 04:52, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Anyone else notice the extremely poor use of grammar and the english language throughout the page? it looks like someone knowledgeable from another country made the English version but it very strange reading the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.45.150.68 ( talk) 15:40, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Why is it named the leaning tower of Pisa and not the leaning campanile of Pisa? As it is a campanile and not a tower. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daevas ( talk • contribs) 17:00, August 27, 2007 (UTC)
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Corrected sexual vandalism. (Why the hell would someone vandalize this entry? Someone please ban the vandals.) Adraeus 03:19, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)
There is so much subtle vandalism in this article that it should be rewritten. The tower is leaning away from the cathedral because the cathedral had been there before and compressed the ground. Thus when the tower was errected, the ground below had a falling compression gradient, making the tower lean away from the cathedral. This happend already during construction and the tower twice was straightend out: above the second floor and below the top section. You can see it well on the picture. As one can see on the neighboring buildings (cathedral and baptistry) the architects where well capable to do make sufficent foundations on the sandy ground.
Other vandalism: the steel cables where not hundreds but just a couple dozen metres long and the surrounding appartments where not closed. The closest building is the tower authority just behind and it was open all the time selling tickets for the cathedral.
And nobody digged out 35m^2 below.
I specifically made the assertion that the tower is the best-known, because there is nothing else even close famewise. Does anybody have a plausible counterexample? Stan 19:21, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Interesting responses - keep in mind that the point is to identify the best-known landmark, something that the proverbial high-school student in Botswana will most likely have heard about, not to rattle off the obscures (and technically the Sistine is not even in Italy :-) ). But I don't have a survey with numbers, and if it's not self-evident to everybody, I'm not going to press the point. Stan 05:14, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I think that it possibly could be the statue of liberty because immigrants from all over the world passed by there on their trip to America sa psyco 19:38, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
I have to agree with Hnsampat. There is no need for the word "fortunately" with regard to the tower not being destroyed. I'm sure most readers would consider this fortunate, but it's a decision they can come to on their own. — BenFrantzDale 04:23, May 13, 2005 (UTC)
I know this is a small point but I'm finding conflicting infomation on the number of steps. A google search for "leaning tower pisa steps 294" gives 755 results, while a google search for "leaning tower pisa steps 296" gives 717 results. Can anyone shed some light on this? Or if any of you are planning a trip there can you please count the number of steps? ;) Monkeyman 30 June 2005 15:39 (UTC)
Seems like a problem about counting your footsteps vs. number of levels in the stairs ? Ericd 1 July 2005 18:57 (UTC)
There ia actually 294 steps. That is the correct #. sa psyco 23:15, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
the text says "At least two people have jumped down the tower with a parachute: Mike McCarthy on August 5, 1988 (Boston Globe, August 6, 1988) and Arne Aarhus on February 1, 2000" so how many people DID jump , two or three ?-- 83.244.76.180 21:59, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
Would be good. What happened to the base jumping sentence? Rich Farmbrough 18:26, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
This can't possibly be true. If any source has said this, it should definitely be quoted. There's no possible human structure that could ever be said to be likely to even survive for a hundred million years. To say that the repairs to the tower of pisa will make it stable for this length of time is ridiculous. Perhaps it means 100 years, and has been vandalized? --Corinthian 20:56, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
The mere removal of some 35 m^3 of earth from below the foundations does not sound like a likely intervention to a complex problem that had so many experts occupied for so long.. We need some references to technical information on the subject.. Gregorydavid 07:41, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
The French language version of this article has an audio recording of the bells ringing. I would add it to the English version if I knew how.uguly
Article states: After the third floor was built in 1178, the tower acquired a lean, due to a mere three-meter foundation in weak, unstable subsoil. The design of this tower was flawed from the beginning.
It's saying that no matter what, there was still going to be that weak soil there so they couldn't have done anything to keep it straight at the beginning. They can make it straight now but that would lose tons of money off of tourism. sa psyco 23:18, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
There is no problem (that I'm aware of) with the "mere three-meter foundation", if there was a problem with the thickness of the foundation it would crack and the cracks would travel up into the structure, compromising it. The problem is the foundation was not large enough to spread the weight on the "unstable soil" and therefore sank into it (more on one side). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.111.17.135 ( talk) 11:22, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
How is it possible for the tower to have leant towards the north and now to the south? If the angle of inclination is 13 degrees what was it originaly and why was the remedial exercise overdone so that it now leans the other way? Gregorydavid 06:30, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
The tower has always leaned in the same direction. The "direction of lean" refers (perhaps unclearly) to the fact that the tower began to lean to the south even before it was completed. At some point after several remedies had been tried, the tower began to sink on the north side faster than the south side (although they were both sinking) thus the top of the tower was moving north or "straightening" itself. It did not straighten completely or lean in the other direction.
Also I believe the "angle of inclination" is about 3 degrees or about 13 feet from being vertical not 13 degrees.
I do not know what the most lean was or when the tower began to straighten, if someone could add this information into the article in a clear way I think that it would be good, I think the straightening of the tower is one of the more interesting facts about it. —Preceding
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It is situated behind the Cathedral and it is the third structure in Pisa's Campo dei Miracoli (field of Miracles).
Does this mean it was the third structure to be built in that field or on that particular spot? Or does this just mean it's the third on the left as you walk through from a certain direction? Or one of three buildings there? Authoritative though the statement sounds, I can't make head or tail of it. qp10qp 11:14, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
the leaning tower of piza is very introsting so instead of talking about it wright info about it duu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaning_Tower_of_Pisa, I don't think you meant to use the word "penis" in the article.
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The Leaning Tower of Pisa (Italian: Torre pendente di Pisa) or simply The Tower of Pisa (La Torre di Pisa) is the campanile, or freestanding bell tower, of the cathedral of the Italian city of Pisa. It is situated behind the Cathedral and it is the third structure in Pisa's Campo dei Miracoli (field of Miracles).
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Although intended to stand vertically, the tower began leaning to the southeast soon after the onset of construction in 1173 due to a poorly laid foundation and loose substrate that has allowed the foundation to shift.
This is what it looked like. i copyed the first and last paragraph between the error. weird...
During the excavation of soil from under the high side of the foundation, it was discovered that the foundation was built in two layers. Apparently the first sank into the ground and another was built on top. Prior to the excavation, which used metal tubes driven into the ground with archimedes screws to extract the soil, coolant pipes were put into the ground to freeze the soil in an attempt to stabilize it while other options were considered. The freezing was stopped when it was discovered the water in the soil expanded and was making the tilt worse.
I wonder if anyone ever considered taking the tower apart, ripping out the bad foundations, building a new foundation with pilings driven down to bedrock, then reassembling the tower on the new and perfectly misaligned foundtation?
Why does Bonanno Pisano redirect to the Leaning Tower of Pisa? His name is not mentioned anywhere in this article. Is he the architect that designed the Leaning Tower? Apparently there is some controversy regarding that. He was also an accomplished artist. Doesn't he have his own page seperate from this one? 199.64.0.252 19:55, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
There should be a tourism section added to this.
One of the most bizarre things about the tower, is that for some reason, it is everyone's desire to get a picture that uses 3-dimensional perspective to give the illusion that a person is actually a giant holding up the tower (or conversely pushing it over). When I went, there were so many people taking these pictures, that in every picture I have of the tower, there are 3 or 4 people in the background taking the exact same picture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.100.194.121 ( talk) 18:04, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
The article states the angle is 5.5 degrees. However the Guinness Book of World Records has ruled that a church steeple in Germany, not the famous leaning tower of Pisa, is the most tilted tower in the world.
The 25.7-metre steeple tilts at an angle of 5.07 degrees, while the tower of Pisa tilts at just 3.97 degrees, said Olaf Kuchenbecker, head of Guinness's German edition.
The new record, scheduled to appear next autumn in the 2009 edition of the Guinness Book of World Records —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.225.172.198 ( talk) 15:24, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
How much does it actually move per year? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.99.198 ( talk) 20:51, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Under history it says "A multinational task force of engineers, mathematicians and historians was assigned...". Shouldn't it be were instead of was? I'd edit it, but I'm not great with grammar at times. MooMix1 ( talk) 21:35, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
I have tagged this section for cleanup. It appears that the author was not a native English speaker, and I am having considerable difficulty determining exactly what he is saying here. The information is likely correct, but impossible to decipher.
It is likely someone will have to spend some time researching the subject to figure out how to clean this up correctly, unless they already know the history. Loren.wilton ( talk) 06:22, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but "there's no lift inside, on the contrary of popular belief?" That's so poorly worded it hurts my feelings. I'd have changed it immediately to something more intelligent, but the article is locked. Just my opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.38.26.103 ( talk) 21:45, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
That comment is ridiculous. I' m removing it alltogether. Nobody seriously could believe that a 13th-century belltower has a lift!
82.40.163.5 ( talk) 21:51, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Oh yes? I work there, and I hear that sentence MANY times per day. And all people were serious. I know it's ridiculous, but it's not the worse thing people think about the tower or the monuments in the square, just the most common one. Many ask what's the use of that tower (maybe a BELL tower?), if it's a church, if it was build tilted by purpose etc.
-- Lonewolf1976 ( talk) 19:04, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
I cleaned this up today, but I dunno... It appears a non-native speaker read an article (or fragment), dumped the text into an online translation package, and then simply threw it over the wall. There seems to be some useful info (with citations) but also more than a little "Yes, but..." stuff. I can't spend any more time on this, and I suppose it's OK so I removed the tag. Seduisant ( talk) 18:06, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
One of the images on this page is described as "Some of the works they did in 1910 and you can still see." Is this meant to be "that can still be seen.", and should we change works? Jezzamon ( talk) 08:37, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Current coordinates of 43°43′50″N, 10°23′58″E do not point to the tower as it shows when using the link to Google Maps. Correct coordinates are 43°43'22.67"N 10°23'46.96"E as shown in Google Earth.
Orecht ( talk) 13:51, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
The first thing mentioned under the Construction heading is "The Tower of Pisa was a work of art". To begin with this is clearly and uncategorically wrong in that it describes the tower in the past tense.
However, is it really appropriate to describe it as a work of art in such an early and prominent position of the ariicle? It is ultimately a functional construction and any artistic elements of its design are purely secondary. Artistic considerations may by alll means be covered in a section later on in the article, but a completely unsubstantiated and assertive statement at that point seems inappropriate. 79.77.32.208 ( talk) 20:29, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
So, the wikinazis have decided to end free speech again. The grammar and syntax of sections of this article are very poor. It is most probably written by a non-native English speaker. In addition, a number of "facts" seem subjective, and are not sourced.
This "article" is a perfect example of everything that is wrong with Wikipedia. Poor quality, and yet locked off by a cartel for bogus "vandalism" claims.
Wikipedia -- an encyclopedia anyone can edit. Provided you grease Jimbo's palms... or the admin cabal agrees with your politics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.149.138.91 ( talk) 11:28, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
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