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I've put in a request at Requested Moves for the page to be shifted to Konstantin Stanislavski. As discussed above, the name is transliterated variously as "Constantin/Konstantin" and "Stanislavski/Stanislavsky/Stanislavskii". The 1930s translations opted for C/-i. The modern critical editions use "K/-i". When the page was moved, the "-i" seems to have been overlooked. The modern editions are here, for anyone who wants to check:
Once the move is effected, I'll clean up all instances in the article. • DP • {huh?} 13:36, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
I've expanded the article from the early years that I wrote a few years ago to cover the entire period of Stanislavski's life now. The modern convention of calling his methodology his 'system' rather than his system has been retained throughout, in line with the standard critical editions of his work and Benedetti's biography. MLA author-date for citations, for ease of bundling and clarity of sources. All transliterations from the Russian follow those adopted by Benedetti. • DP • {huh?} 12:41, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Shearonink ( talk · contribs) 18:29, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
I am Reviewing this article for possible GA status. It is massive and will probably take me quite a while to work through. @ DionysosProteus: be patient with my progress. Shearonink ( talk) 18:29, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
Passes the threshold "immediate failure" criteria: No cleanup banners, no obvious copyright infringements, etc. Shearonink ( talk) 18:52, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
FYI: I am going to take this part of the Review very slowly and post any Criteria #1 - Prose/MOS issues in the order that I find them and as I find them, starting with the Lead section etc. Shearonink ( talk) 18:52, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
Length is good. Summarizes the important points of the article. Shearonink ( talk) 08:32, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
Explains the Stanislavsky method very well, without becoming too esoteric. Shearonink ( talk) 08:32, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
Prose is good, grammar well-done, timeline is developed. I like the bringing together of Stanislavski's various influences, that his "method" didn't just spring up out of nothing.
The following sentences are somewhat confusing:
I understand that this is about the timeline of Stanislavsky's development as an artist, but what they could be interpreted as stating is that this production of Tolstoy's "Fruits..." was done under the MAT aegis (and, of course, that is not so - at this time Stanislavski had just started his Society of Art and Literature, the MAT wasn't started until 1897).
And, this is just an aside: I do think it is hysterical that Stanislavsky is thought of as freeing actors to be fully human onstage etc and at this time he dictated every moment by every actor onstage....never knew that.
Shearonink (
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19:38, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
No issues found in this section. Lays out the timeline and development of the MAT nicely. I like how Stanislavsky's privilege is a factor again - his family had enough money that Nemirovicb assumed KS would be able to fund the company himself. No "starving artists" here... Shearonink ( talk) 21:38, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
No problems found, nicely-written. Lays out the facts of the MAT's genesis in an easy-tounderstand fashion. Shearonink ( talk) 21:38, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
From the text & content I am a little confused as to if the MAT was viable at this time. Was the Theatre-Studio an concurrent off-shoot or subsidiary to MAT or was it independent? Shearonink ( talk) 21:38, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
No issues found. Shearonink ( talk) 21:38, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
Ah, the first instance of "bits" or "beats"... No problems, all the refs check out, the Wikilinking seems fine, prose is well-done, no grammar issues. Shearonink ( talk) 21:38, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
The development of K.S.'s acting/directing theories is well-done throughout the article, especially this section, nicely-done on the throughline. Shearonink ( talk) 23:58, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
It's interesting to go from the tightly-controlled naturalism of The Seagull in the previous section to the mannered stylism of the Maeterlinck plays. Shearonink ( talk) 23:58, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
I would first like to mention something I have noticed during this readthrough - the judicious use of Wikilinks throughout the article so far, unobtrusive but explanatory. Now...
To go from the acclaim of the tour - basically fleeing Russia because of the failed 1905 Revolution - to KS's artistic lows...this is like reading a novel. I know what happened next but what happens next?
Shearonink (
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23:58, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
No big problems in this section but in the quoted paragraph, just who was Stainislavski addressing when he said "The committee is wrong if it thinks..." Who was this committee? I feel like something was left out of the narrative at this point. Prose/styleMOS considerations are all fine. Shearonink ( talk) 05:34, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
Last paragraph in this section is unsourced, otherwise no issues found. Shearonink ( talk) 18:19, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
Keeping WP:MOST in mind, I am not sure that a header can have quote marks in it. Shearonink ( talk) 18:19, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
KS escaped being executed? ...Had no idea. And I especially like the inclusion of how KS had done so much prep work that it overwhelmed his performance. Shearonink ( talk) 18:19, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
Shades of Dr Zhivago...being evicted from his mansion. Did get re-housed though. Shearonink ( talk) 18:19, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
I think this section needs a more complete header. This wasn't just a tour of the US, it was also a tour of Europe. The MAT company was on tour from September 1922 until May 1924.
Good job on explaining how the tour influenced acting/theatre in other countries. I see Lee Strasberg makes an appearance...
Shearonink (
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18:19, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
Oh dear, the heart attack... Other than that, not problems found. Shearonink ( talk) 03:51, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
Such a shame that the three volumes never got their 'overview'. This section is fine. Shearonink ( talk) 03:51, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
The warring camps of the American "Method" studios/schools... No issues found. Shearonink ( talk) 03:51, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
(No MOS/grammar/referencing problems.) And, well... at least he wasn't executed like Meyerhold. Shearonink ( talk)
It's interesting, that the system of acting training that is most associated in American theatre and film with Strasberg and Adler, with Marlon Brando et al...in its final Russian/Soviet incarnation dealt with opera, a form that most people associate with theatrical artifice. Interesting ending. Shearonink ( talk) 03:51, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
There are not any major problems with this article. It is well-researched and well-written. The matters that need to be adjusted or corrected before I can finish this Review are as follows:
I am placing this Review On Hold pending corrections to the above issues. Shearonink ( talk) 03:51, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
Note that I've had a run-through of the images used in this article and have fixed a number of licensing problems (mostly that either US or non-US license tag was missing, and Commons requires both now, or the tag used was wrong or too general). There are only two obvious concerns remaining:
@ Shearonink: note that some, but not all, your concerns about image licensing have been addressed. -- Xover ( talk) 16:30, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
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