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Added The Oath and the Measure. I am planning on creating a Wikibook to collect all the rules scattered around the Dragonlance books, trying to recreate the fictional Oath and Measure for common people to read. -- ReyBrujo 18:31, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
The knights of the order, are they fighters or paladins? SpectrumDT 00:58, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
There are some serious issues of accuracy in this article, but I don't wanna step on any feet here. I'd rather simply give my thoughts here and let you guys decide if you want to fix it.
I've already made two minor edits, didn't wanna go any farther than that. Changed "Rebellion of the Roses" to "The Rose Rebellion", and something about Solamnus "discovering honor", which is just weird... changed that so reflect what really happened.
At any rate... there seems to be very little mention of the gods of the Triumvirate, the quest of honor is glossed over after essencially skipping the reason for it (after the fall of Daltigoth, the province of Vingaard became independant, named Solamnus it's king, and renamed itself Solamnia. It was 16 years later that some northern provinces also broke from Ergoth and wanted to join Solamnia. Solamnus didn't see this as practical due to differences in culture and ideals, thus, wanting to help, embarked on his "Quest of Honor". He found his way to the Whitestone Glade where he collapsed in exhaustion, or prayed and mediated, depending on the source, and was granted a vision of the three orders of knighthood by the gods of the Triuvirate: Paladine, Habbakuk, and Kiri-Jolith).
The group referred too in the article as the "Conclave" is actually called the Knightly High Council, or simply High Council. It has never been referred to as the Conclave in any text I have read (Conclave, in fact, refers to the 21 member ruling body of the Orders of Magic in Dragonlance). The four members of the council are the High Warrior, head of the Order of the Crown, the High Clerist, head of the Order of the Sword, the High Justice, head of the Order of the Rose, and the Grand Master, head of the entire Knighthood and commander of the Knightly Circle of Sancrist. The High Warrior is not "second in command" of the knighthood, only his Order. All three High Knights are equal in command and hold no authority over the other two orders.
No knight of any order has ever been permitted to cast Arcane magic. The Knight of the Rose section implies that they used too. Some Knights of the Sword and of the Rose are able to cast Divine "spells", which are really nothing more than immediately and visibly answered prayers. Only in the current age, post war of souls, have knights even begun associating with magi, accepting white robes into the Order of the Kingfisher (which isn't a true Knightly Order, but an Auxilliary branch consisting of commoner foot soldiers and peasant levies).
The Orders do not necessary denote rank. A Knight of the Crown can outrank a Knight of the Rose. The orders are a matter of role and prestige, not rank. In fact, most knights LOSE rank by advancing to a new Order. All knights do begin as Knights of the Crown, and one must become a Sword Knight before advancing to the Order of the Rose, but a Lord is a Lord, a Baron is a Baron, and a Sergeant is a Sergeant, regardless of Order. Lord Knights outrank Knight Officers who outrank sergeants who outrank postulants, and that is regardless of Order. Order is, at best, a tie breaker.
The role of the different orders, however, is quite veried. For the most part, Crown knights are homeguards. They garrison the fortresses across Solamnic lands. Knights of the Sword serve two roles, as illustrated by their two distict classes of Knight... standard Knights of the Sword, and Clerists. Your basic Knight of the Sword is a warrior, he actively seeks and roots out the enemies of the Knighthood, taking the fight to them. The Knight Clerist, however, are the spiritual backbone of the Order, serving as sort of glorified chaplains and battlefield medics (able to call upon the powers of Kiri-Jolith to heal their comrads). The Order of the Rose makes up much of the disciplinary aspect of Knighthood, as well as Solamnic lands. It's the most autonimous of the Orders, and deals in a lot of legal issues.
Ultimately, however, all three Orders are represented on any major battlefield, and Order is more about prestige than anything else. Adembroski 11:31, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
PROD was not use correctly here according to Wikipedia guidelines. So I removed it. Web Warlock ( talk) 12:54, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
Not sure how much of the content from here we want to merge. Anyone have suggestions, or want to take a crack at it? — Torchiest talk edits 00:19, 29 September 2012 (UTC)