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Sheik Kanthapuram A.P.Aboobacker Musliar Bin Ahmed islamic scholar in India and abroad. He is the first kerala muslim scholar who supported communism, His vew comes true for other some leaders after many years. That reveals his forcast about all things related to Humanity especially to Sunni Muslims—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])
The above statement is just your point of view. Wiki is for facts. Please see the guidelines for Wiki Biography and also for Wiki Talkpage. Please provide solid facts in which way, Kanthapuram has brought renaissance among Sunni Muslims. The above comment in the talk page itself is very cryptic. Forecasts about humanity -? what way? Zencv ( talk) 09:38, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
I will explain...rennaisance.
Education is the foundation of renaissance.He already gave and use to give free education with full stay,food,and every thing free of course.At present 25,000 students studies in his main center markaz alone.He has hundreds of other institutes also..Now lot of engineers including me,lot of doctors ,scientists,scholars,teachers,so and so is there with his effort.This is how he raised the sunni muslims to glory .This is the renaissance.if you want more evidences,i will give for verificartion,I can give BBC video as proof for his contributions in charity.
also,some vahhabis says the sunnis are doing shirk which is a foolishness,Please be aware that vahhabis are less than 1 percentage of world muslim population...my mail id is [email protected] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vasikhali ( talk • contribs) 08:27, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
One or more portions of this article duplicated other source(s). The material was copied from: http://archive.arabnews.com/?page=1§ion=0&article=58111&d=27&m=1&y=2005&pix=kingdom.jpg&category=Kingdom, http://archive.arabnews.com/?page=1§ion=0&article=76098&d=11&m=1&y=2006 and http://www.ssfmalappuram.com/news/default.asp?id=english. Infringing material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.) For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:21, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
Isn't it a very famous allegation? How come it's not mentioned here? I can provide citations. Mehfoos ( talk) 06:11, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
I have added that section. He was 10th accused in that murder but was acquitted
GreenOrca (
talk) 07:31, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
Kanthapuram is 'famous' for making highly conservative remarks about women,like women shouldn't travel. In one instance, a group of Muslim women even burnt his effigy .. I dont think wiki page is reflecting all of this ..
GreenOrca ( talk) 17:55, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I have added the same with sources. GreenOrca ( talk) 18:54, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
This article has been subjected to several acts of whitewashing/vandalism. Controversial remarks by him was added with many references, however the references and the section has been removed. This has happened multiple times. Please do not allow deletion of references.
GreenOrca ( talk) 07:36, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
Hi, Admins please block these users from editing this page User:Nashar.Elaf, User:Vasikhali - WikiRescuer ( talk) 03:33, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
Sir..
This is vasikh ali.
I havent writen any thing other than facts.
See this Nashar.Elaf is a vahhabi.means mujahid.,,...Mujahid constitutes less than 4% of muslims in kerala.and less than 1% in the world. They alleges that rest of 96 % in kerala is doing shirk.As a part of it they allege the same to Mr.Kanthapuram also.shirk means having more than 1 god.This is baseless allegation.Inorder to keep the trust and honesty of Wikipedia,I request the support from the authority.You can verify the matter by any method.Please consider that Nashar.Elaff's arguement sounds less than 4 out of hundred.Stressing the word ,You can verify it .
.And a request to nashar,Please dont consider this platform to spit baseless allegations.and please remember, i am not doing the same in your leaders page,because that is not our culture..Please dont force me to do like that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vasikhali ( talk • contribs) 08:40, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
The same one with different address creates the problems again.Dear friend please be aware that once its informed to the media center Calicut,Case will be registered against you for cyber crime or cyber bullying.Please dont make a chance for that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vasikhali ( talk • contribs) 05:59, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
Now i am cleanup the page, i hope that you will continue to favor us with your support • Arts Rescuer 19:25, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
You did which is not right..atleast you can contact the media cell markaz.bt you didnt.
See he said during a speech,only women can deliver the children.he was explaining what the difference btwn male and female.bt some medias reported like he said that women can only deliver the children..later the medias apologized him..this is happaned.what you said is wrong..35 million keralaites know it... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vasikhali ( talk • contribs) 05:55, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
you didnt ask the citation when some fellows wrote the lie.but now when i write the truth you need it...I dont have any videos in my hand to explain it to you.but its the truth.I heared the speech...Informing is my duty.Just did that.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vasikhali ( talk • contribs) 07:14, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
I have removed the excessive photo gallery because it was disproportionate to the size and importance of the article; there were copyright issues with the photos; and there were already three decent photos, which is ample. George Custer's Sabre 06:05, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
He is not elected as the Grand Mufti of India, Grand Mufti Elected as Misbahi Not AP Aboobacker Musliar.
If he is elected kindly publish an appointment letter from the authority for selecting the Grand Mufti of India.
Actually he himself announced as the Grand Mufti of India — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kanjikkuzhi ( talk • contribs) 14:35, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
It’s very clear that all of the above editors and every Sunni Muslim organizations are approving that the previous Grand Mufti of India is Mr. Akhtar Raza Khan and he passed away recently on 20 July 2018.
Also Deputy Grand Mufti of India is Huzoor Muhad’dith e Kabeer Hazrat Allama Zia ul Mustafa Qaadiri Amjadi who is bearing his post from the period of Mr.Akhtar Raza Khan itself.
The authority who selected Mr.Akhtar Raza Khan as Grand Mufti and Mr.Zia ul Mustafa as Deputy Grand Mufti don’t know about the selection of this Kanthapuram A.P. Abubacker Musliyar as Grand Mufti.
Also they didn’t select anyone to that post and they are going to select a new person to that position.
You can get the complete history of Grand Muftis of India from the page Grand Mufti of India
If you are saying Kanthapuram is the Grand Mufti then you should show me at least an appointment letter from the authorities whoever elected the previous Grand Mufti as well.
It’s not a subject to play with but it’s a very critical subject Which is related to the whole Sunni Muslims in the Country.
( Kanjikkuzhi ( talk) 03:08, 5 March 2019 (UTC))
It is very clear that you are misguiding the people by spreading a false information through the wikipedia, it will badly affect the credibility of wikipedia as well. Evidences and sources should be published and you should answer for the questions asked in the discussions to show the credibility of your edit. Otherwise, what is the need of discussion and talk page in the wikipedia. Therefore, I am waiting for a proper reply from you for my above question to show an appointment letter for the same.
Otherwise I should ask the admins to remove these type of false information from this page.
( Kanjikkuzhi ( talk) 10:34, 5 March 2019 (UTC))
It’s very clear that you are editing some of my edits regarding the Deputy Grand Mufti of India with reliable sources to justify your edit is correct.
So, if you have any doubts or arguments with my edits kindly submit the proof here. We can discuss on the same.
( Kanjikkuzhi ( talk) 15:10, 5 March 2019 (UTC))
But, you are playing with a very critical subject which will affect the whole Sunni Muslims from India. Because, Grand Mufti Post is a very important post for which a leader who have the support of only a minor group of Sunni Muslims can’t even imagine to reach that position. If you want to proceed legally to prove this, we can proceed with this. No issues on that.
( Kanjikkuzhi ( talk) 18:56, 5 March 2019 (UTC))
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tags on this page without content in them (see the
help page).re welcome in Wikipedia. As I said many times earlier, if your claim has to be included, you need to substantiate it with credible sources. Not just repeating that your opinion is this or you believe so etc. I don't think there is any point in prolonging this discussion. You are still not willing to provide any references for your claim.
Malayala Sahityam (
talk) 19:16, 5 March 2019 (UTC)Now the Wikipedia is not any authorized way of knowledge. While any one edit as grand multi of India through the paid news. And even editing is disabled by some editors ....While the fact is that he is not grand multi...grand multi of India is the son of Azkaban ,Asjad raza khan qadiri Barelvi. Victorydigital ( talk) 11:11, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
Barelvi scholars selected Azjad Raza Khan Brelvi as Qali Qulath(chief qazi of barelvi sharif) , not as Grand Mufti of India. The position Grand mufti of India belongs to Kanthapuram AP Aboobacker Musliyar (
talk) 2 April 2019 (UTC)
Nope they had even issued a circular confirming that Asjad Raza Khan Qadri is conferred with all the titles that his respected father held previously Metre per second ( talk) 16:26, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
I could provide sources including audio clips, proving this, if there any need arises... Most importantly all the articles which refer this malignant as the Mufti should ne cleaned and Mufti Asjad Raza Khan should be added with proper hierarchy and tags, thereby restoring Wiki's authenticity... Metre per second ( talk) 16:29, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
am also hoping thiz content,and disagree with grand mufthi of india Abdulsalamsvnr ( talk) 01:30, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
I strongly contest the revision ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Kanthapuram_A.P._Aboobacker_Musliyar&oldid=895158964) being reverted by an editor and the assertion that it is vandalism. Any administrators can read and see that what has been written is fair with reference to reputable Indian media outlets such as "The Hindu". Please can an admin/impartial party check these changes. SunniObserver786 ( talk) 12:08, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
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Ap Aboobacker Musliar is not a Grand Mufti of India , Kindly update this -- Midhlajc17 ( talk) 07:18, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
My suggestion would be to edit this at the very least so that it says Aboobacker is the Grand Mufti for his followers or Shafi‘i Muslims and a mention of the Grand Mufti controversy in the main article (see my edit that was reverted by another editor). SunniObserver786 ( talk) 23:07, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
Akhtar Raza Khan was formerly known as the Grand Mufti of India by Barelvi Muslims. Upon his passing, the position was left vacant with no formal announcement on who was to succeed him. On the 24th February 2019, a conference was held in Delhi where it was announced by a singular organisation that Kanthapuram will now be the Grand Mufti of India [1]. This caused a split in India, with the followers and family of Akhtar Raza Khan, as well as other Muslims from Kerala, making a rival announcement that Asjad Raza Khan is actually the Grand Mufti [2]. Some reconciliate the controversy by saying that Asjad Raza Khan is the Grand Mufti for Hanafi Muslims and Aboobacker is the Grand Mufti for Shafi‘i Muslims, as they both follow different versions of Islamic Jurisprudence, while others such as Dr. Bahaudeen Nadwi from his rival faction in Kerala refuse to accept him as Grand Mufti outright [3]
Therefore, it is wrong for this article to assert as fact that Aboobacker is the Grand Mufti of India when it is clearly a hotly disputed position.
My suggestion would be to edit this at the very least so that it says Aboobacker is the Grand Mufti for his followers or Shafi‘i Muslims and a mention of the Grand Mufti controversy in the main article (see my edit that was reverted by another editor). SunniObserver786 ( talk) 23:07, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
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Talk:Grand Mufti of India#Request for comment - Grand Mufti Controversy, and so the RfC listings have become corrupted as a result. I have reset the rfcid in an attempt to trigger Legobot into sorting out the mess. My comments in that RfC hold here as well: it is not a valid
WP:RFC but your own opinion; it is neither
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Redrose64 🌹 (
talk) 22:22, 11 May 2019 (UTC)References
Comment - Some further direction to authoritative references that discuss whether a controversy exists and, if so, the exact nature of the controversy would be appreciated. I searched English language sources online and did not find much. Controversies regarding leadership of religious groups are not uncommon, regardless of religion or denomination, so I am not surprised to find some indications but did not find enough to suggest a significant controversy. Some sources that did not indicate a controversy did limit their reference to Aboobacker as Grand Mufti for Sunnis in India and/or Barelwi followers.( Summoned by bot)-- Rpclod ( talk) 12:02, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
I have reverted the page move. Based on a quick search, it seems most newspapers refer to him as Kanthapuram A. P. Aboobacker Musliyar instead of Sheikh Abubakr Ahmad [1], [2], [3]. I recommend starting a page move discussion here to get consensus or maybe an RFC.-- DreamLinker ( talk) 12:45, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Jerm ( talk) 16:29, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
Kanthapuram A. P. Aboobacker Musliyar → Sheikh Abubakr Ahmad – This is not a move rationale. I am simply listing it since there was a recent move which I reverted and I believe this would benefit from more input DreamLinker ( talk) 13:16, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
@ DreamLinker and HyperGaruda:? Doug Weller talk 11:26, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Fatwa of Sheikh Abubakr Ahmad on ISIS has no notability itself. It may merged to this page.--
Irshadpp (
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Comment People should not be in too much a of hurry to close. The first person to comment on this was on 4 April. Surely 7 days from the first comment is a more reasonable period than 14 hours. Toddy1 (talk) 10:14, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
I just went through few links where Grand Mufti title is used before his name. But in the same time, it is related that the event was organized under the banner of the predominant Sunni organization in the country, All India Thanzeem Ulamae Islam. This organization completely belongs to Barelwi sect and that no one, prominent scholar from Deobandis or other Muslims living in India, joined the event. His being the Grand Mufti is same as that of Izaz Ali Amrohi, Muhammad Shafi Deobandi or Mahmood Hasan Gangohi. Wikipedia brethren must understand this.
@ Authordom: @ Irshadpp: Please could you comment on recent edits such as [7]. There are probably reasons for this difference of opinion. They are best resolved on the talk page. Toddy1 (talk) 16:56, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
check this edit, this is purely a statement of an editor. Looks like original research.-- Irshadpp ( talk) 07:07, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
@ Toddy1:, there are many violations on MOS:HON in this article.-- Irshadpp ( talk) 16:48, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
I am pointing on the citation is a statement of an editor, Stating that it is similar to Sheikh Hasina. In Kerala, followers used to call him Sheikhunaa (Our leader). In routine news will always using these kind of honorific titles.-- Irshadpp ( talk) 17:22, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
I can explain what is actual issue is,
-- Irshadpp ( talk) 20:11, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
No where in citations mentioned him as an environmentalist. If there citation mentioning like that we may add it again. Otherwise this may considered as original research-- Irshadpp ( talk) 07:12, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
This is a ranking of influential Muslim personalities of the world. If there is an entry, it will be just updated in the next year if any changes there. If you compare the data regarding subject, you may find few sentences which is repeated from 2009 to 2020. As 2020 is more comprehensive, we can give a link of that, and mention mention about previous years.-- Irshadpp ( talk) 07:18, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
The lede had the following sentence:
I can see that citation [1] of the above supports "Aboobacker is a leading Indian Islamic scholar" and I can see that it supports "Aboobacker is Chancellor of the Jamia Markazu Ssaquafathi Ssunniyya (Markaz)". But that is it. So "writer, author, Educational revivalist, environmentalist" should be deleted.
Do citations [2] to [5] support the statement that he is a peace and interfaith dialogue promoter? If so, please can someone say how. Or is it that they have been badly placed? Toddy1 (talk) 18:33, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
Citation [4] merely states that Aboobacker is on an Indian national advisory council to oversee the implementation of the Right to Education. The citation should be put somewhere in the article against a statement it supports. Toddy1 (talk) 19:47, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
Citation [3] says:
So that citation appears misplaced, and should be put somewhere else against statements that it supports. Toddy1 (talk) 19:53, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
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This article clearly meets at least one, and possibly up to three, of the
criteria for immediate failure; as detailed below, I am going to fail the nomination on that basis.
The first criterion for immediate failure is if an article "is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria." These criteria are that an article is well written; verifiable; broad in its coverage; neutral; stable; and illustrated.
The third criterion for immediate failure is if the article "has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid."
The final criterion for immediate failure is if the article "is not stable due to edit warring on the page."
Authordom, I'm sorry to have to fail this nomination. If you're still interested in bringing this article to good-article status, hopefully the above comments provide some guidance. In short, before renominating I would significantly expand the breadth of the article; ensure that the subject is treated in a balanced manner; and ask the guild of copy editors to take a look. --
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The line 'Grand Mufti of India' is wrong. The correct statement should be as 'Grand mufti of Sunnis in India'. This statement can b supported with a new from The Hindu. https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/kanthapuram-grand-mufti-of-sunnis-in-india/article26379629.ece Rational Thinker of Kerala ( talk) 10:06, 15 June 2023 (UTC)