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Love the photo of the five ball juggling. Never have been able to master that one! -- Geezerpoop ( talk) 04:03, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
I removed this image from the article as I feel it does not portray juggling in the same way that the article does. This image depicts juggling and clowning. The two are clearly closely related arts, however this article describes juggling as an art in its own right. However, on skimming over this article again, it mentions very little of how juggling is closely related to circuses and clowning. -- Colin E. 12:27, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
First, don't revert again, because that's against policy. You don't get a revert to tear the image down with each response. Second, what you guys are arguing over is how juggling is presented, as opposed to WHO uses it. Entertainers. Which entertainers? Clowns. If this is a case of respect for juggling, I can tell you that you guys are being paranoid over a non-issue. Jugglers aren't disrespected because clowns juggle. Third, it's a good photograph, it demonstrates the art, and it shows it being used in an NEA and New York State Funded prodution that is a work of public theater. It has won awards. The photo stays. Stop being ridiculous. Out of all the people who have challenged my photographs, this is one of the silliest. -- DavidShankBone 02:19, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
I note that in the photo the first two jugglers passed the objects off to the other jugglers whilst juggling. How many people who fear for the respect of juggling can make that claim to have mastered technique when they want to take this juggling photograph off? -- DavidShankBone 02:22, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Lastly, I note the second sentence in the article mentions "circus skills". It's annoying you all are wasting my time with this foolishness. I'll take it to the administrator level if I need to. -- DavidShankBone 02:29, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
I agree to having it moved down but that doesn't change the fact that an image should be presented at the front of an article. I'll let you all who care more about this page than I do decide which image to choose. A photograph helps relate the idea of the article to the viewer. It's necessary for every article to have an image at the front. Thanks for the compromise. -- DavidShankBone 14:27, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
I'll put Gatto on my watchlist for the next time he comes through New York and I will try to get a photograph of him. The good thing about New York is that most people, especialy people of significance, seem to come through the city at least once in their lives. It's like Mecca in that way. -- DavidShankBone 16:43, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
If you are going to add photos, images or animations to this page, make sure they are of a good quality. It really is no good to put a very, very poor quality gif animation at the top of the page, especially as it depicts a very unrealistic style of juggling. And it looks really, really bad. Please don't try to add it again.
I'm just curious about the picture labled as "Jay Gilligan and Kristen Wanvik" because in the article about types of juggling, it's labled as "Jay Gilligan and Jouni Temonen". Which is it?
The numbers records I've listed are from the JIS Committee on Numbers as of September 2002, which are possibly not the most uptodate, but are at least solidly verifiable. I've reverted the ring record change that someone made from 11 to 10 as I've been unable to find any reference to anything better than Anthony Gatto's unverifiable personal records listing.
If you're going to update these records, please make reference to an independently verifiable source, preferably based on video. While Anthony Gatto's no doubt the best numbers juggler around, his personal training records do not constitute a primary source for world records. Also, make sure you know the difference between a flash and a juggle. Verifiable flashing records are 12 balls, 13 rings, and 9 clubs. user:oxymoron
"Modern independently verifiable records for the number of objects juggled (defined as at least two catches per object - a "qualifying run") are 10 balls, 10 rings, and 7 clubs. The less stringent requirement (at least one catch per object - a "flash") has been reached with 12 balls (beanbags), 13 rings, and 9 sticks (or 8 traditional clubs). It has been said that the limits of human ability lie around the 14-ball mark, though evidence to back this up is understandably scarce."
juggling record What's your source for the 3-ball juggling record? It seems bogus to me. Jason Quinn 00:56, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Yuri Scherbina: One ball juggling 35 pound 4.5 oz ball 100 times (Mount Elbrus elev. 13,800 ft) July 1995 Ahmad Tajuddin: Foot juggling 3 hours nonstop, one ball made of cane (sepak takraw ball) 10,000 times with right foot without dropping the ball September 1996 Anthony Gatto: Most flaming torches Anthony Gatto, 7 torches International Jugglers Association Festival, Baltimore Maryland July 1989 Most objects juggled Aug. 7 1998: 1508 people juggled a total of 4,524 objects... European Juggling Convention at Edinburgh Scotland Pedant 18:23, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Juggling Record exposed
this is the edit where the bogus record came from, apparently the only edit from that ip address (213.78.56.215)
For what it's worth 68.183.79.42 is my current ip address, and it will mostly hover around that.
I think it was one of those "Wikipedia is so unscholarly that I myself have added false information to their articles" newbie tests that writers like to use to disparage wikipedia. Personally I would highly doubt any significant bump to that record, even 30 hours, since it is so inconvenient to arrange for witnesses. I once 'devilstick' juggled from 5:30 pm until lunchtime the next day, through the dark night at a Rennaissance Faire, and although there were dozens of witnesses, there was no continuous witness. I don't even think its a record, but my point is, you have to arrange a witness or several, and then you actually have to break the record, so I don't see anyone (with witnesses) going much over 30 hours without it being very easy to fact-check.
Anyway, it wasn't my edit and I'm really really dubious of 79 hours of juggling, witness or no witness, I couldn't even watch television for that long. Pedant 19:08, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
I went ahead and added a small list of juggling tricks for expansion. Some of their names may need to be adjusted to not conflict with previously created articles. It also may be nice to create a whole seperate article to list and categorize the patterns. Ok bye!
Thanks, that works for me. If you know of any articles remotely related to juggling, feel free to link them at least to the Juggling article which I am considering a hub for the other articles. Might want to take a look at the (currently mostly lists) article at Circus and see if you can do anything on some of those redlinked references. If you feel like it. My goal is to bring Circus and Juggling up to featured article quality before the year ends. anyone up for that? Pedant 03:58, 2004 Nov 7 (UTC)
This line:
"It has been said that jugglers are quite low down in the hierarchy of entertainment and performers... just below magicians but slightly above mimes. Jugglers, of course, disagree entirely. So do mimes, though their objections are rarely heard."
I like.
It has been "proven" to increase the size of your brain
Isn't it impossible to make your brain bigger just by engaging in a stimulating activity? And why put "proven" in quotes? Does anyone know what this is supposed to mean? -- Gypsum Fantastic 19:12, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
To quote from the BBC, 2004-01-22:
"Juggling 'can boost brain power'
"The skills we learn may shape the structure of our brains"
"Learning to juggle can cause changes in the brain, scientists have found. Using brain scans, the researchers showed that in 12 people who had learnt to juggle, certain brain areas had grown. But three months later, during which time people stopped juggling, the brain had gone back to its normal size.
"Writing in Nature, the researchers from the University of Regensburg, Germany, say their findings challenge the view that experiences do not affect the brain."
It doesn't 'increase' the size of your brain. 'Boost brain power' is definately a better way of putting it. I have seen 'makes physical changes to your brain' used most, as saying it increased in size would persumable be suggesting that brain cells have been gained, which is rubbish.
Hiya I'm not a member yet, but I notice that in the Gatto photo of "12 rings" I can count 13!!! Can someone please explain... preferably in the caption of the photo... or else fix it to say 13??
It is one of his holsters where he keeps a ring at the start of his juggling the 12, that can look as a ring in the picture. You can notice that it is only half.
In reference to Gypsum Fantastic's question for clarification, I have heard of research that confirms a link between juggling and an increase in the ability to sight-read in piano playing students. I note that a quick web search turned up the following reference to the Suzuki Piano school that states "Juggling classes which improve dexterity and coordination... ", but does not reference the study this information is gained from directly... http://core.ecu.edu/hist/wilburnk/SuzukiPianoBasics/News/PB22-Mar97.htm ...the statement seems to imply, although not directly state that they have access to such research...
...I tried a search at the JIS ( http://www.juggling.org/) but they're busy right now...
I am not a comunity member as yet but I can be contacted at [email protected]
I would become a community member now, but I have programming homework, and have already used an hour on this :)
Cheers Monique 16/8/5 5.55pm Australian Eastern Standard Time
Since I've no idea where this comes from but I'm sure I've heard it somewhere, would anyone care to comment on the following statement?
Some purist insist that true juggling only begins when the number of objects in the air at any given time is greater than the number of hands juggling the objects. For example, the standard 5 ball cascade is true juggling as at any given point there are at least 3 balls in the air with only 2 hands manipulating the pattern.
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Nope Absolutely untrue. Even assuming you mean Toss juggling, as opposed numerous forms of juggling where no objects are tossed at all, just about ANY juggler will agree that Mills Mess is juggling. Mills' mess doesn't fit your description. User:Pedant 17:51, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
The Help Desk received the following e-mail from Steve Mills of the Dazzling Mills Family.
Under patterns a trick is refered to as the double lubman known better as the mills mess. There is no such thing as a double lubman. This was submitted by a unknowlegable person. Please fix this. I am the inventor of this trick and the juggle.org will attest ot there being no mention anywhere else of this being called a double lubman.
Capitalistroadster 01:17, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Is the Egyptian drawing serious, or some sort of in-joke? I followed the references to here [1], but the drawing shown on this page is not the same (similar, but clearly different). If this is a joke, I don't think it belongs on the page. If it's not a joke, why are there two versions of the drawing? -- Allen 19:24, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
It is serious. There is a real tomb, the Beni-hasan tomb, that has juggling depicted on the walls. I don't know why the two versions are different. There's an extra juggler in the Wikipedia one that's not in the other! Dunno. Jason Quinn 20:00, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
I have always explained this to myself as being because they were pictures all the way round. If you think of how egyptian paintings were designed they were often done in stripps, with s scene circling the whole room. I don't know if this is true or not though...-- Seonaidbeaumont 15:58, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
The caption on the image "1794-1781"..I assume it denotes when it was discovered rather than when it was created? Its misleading as it stands.-- Hooperbloob 17:17, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
It's the 15th tomb in the Beni Hassan area of tombs, the date should read "1994-1781 B.C", I'll fix it. The image disparity is that one image is a cropped part of an earlier image. User:Pedant 18:03, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
I have seen this line drawing of the "Egyptian wall painting" depicting juggling reproduced in many places but I have not been able to find an actual photograph of it anywhere. It seems certain that some juggler would have photographed it by now. Has anyone seen a photo or rubbing or anything but this line drawing? Oldhairface ( talk) 17:50, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
P0lyglut, why do you think the fire image was inane? To me, it seemed like a great illustration of the basic figure eight pattern of toss juggling, which in my experience is a key insight for people who know very little about juggling, and who often imagine more of a circular pattern. -- Allen 05:31, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
An excellent juggling simulator can be found here. Three keys are used to control each hand. The user presses the keys in rapid succession rather like tapping fingers on a desk. The program is customisable allowing many different patterns. It is different from other juggling simulation programs in that each hand is controlled by the user. Instead of just watching the program juggle, the user is actually make the program juggle..
86.213.15.234 14:51, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
I think there are enough stubable articles relating to juggling for a 'Juggling Sutb' template to be made. Minglex 18:30, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
"Ioculr" is not a Latin word. The word "ioculari" means to joke or jest. I've corrected this in the article.-- 68.250.176.85 03:23, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
"The majority of hobby jugglers can be split into one of two groups. The first are those who learned to juggle at university or college juggling clubs. These people are often mathematicians, scientists, and computer programmers. They like juggling because it can be very structured and it can be analysed and modeled easily by mathematics and physics. Juggling has established itself as a very useful model for researchers studying motor skills and learning techniques. The second group are from the counter culture or alternative culture scene. They enjoy juggling because, while it can be very structured, it can also be as free as you want it to be, with a virtually infinite scope for individual personal expression. Fire juggling is a common appeal."
Does that last sentence make sense or is it just me? Also - how relevant is this paragraph? I don't find the value judgements of why people like juggling (seemingly stereotypically based on their degree choices or lack of them) particularly helpful.
A more helpful breakup of jugglers would maybe include 'numbers' and 'technical' jugglers? Laurence9993 15:39, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
The article says that: "Ball juggling can be broken down into the following styles: Contact Juggling, Numbers Juggling, Pattern Juggling, Trick Juggling, Technical Juggling, Bounce Juggling and Football Juggling."
Is it just me or are pattern juggling, trick juggling and technical juggling all the same thing? I didn't want to go straight ahead and edit because there could well be some subtle difference I'm missing. Thanks! Ian F. 17:44, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
New links of dubious quality seem to get added to this page on a weekly basis, many of them are simple 3 ball tutorials. I have removed them all and replaced them with a single link to what I think is the best 3 ball video tutorial. I feel that one single link is enough. If anyone finds a better tutorial, feel free to replace this link, however I don;t think we need to link to every poorly written 3 ball tutorial with animated GIFs! -- Colin E. 09:38, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
What do you guys think about putting Juggling.tv inside the external links section ? It is the biggest and best quality video site on the net dedicated for juggling with over 2000 videos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.85.35.93 ( talk) 16:50, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Clearly looks edited, the balls colors are too bright, the image motion paths, the illogical ball placement, all looks to be an obvious joke not meant for this article.
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01:56, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Great image, but the caption is wrong. That isnt a 3-D image! :-)
What about drum stick spinning? I think it's popular enough to deserve an own paragraph 88.73.4.152 04:53, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
http://www.giocoleria.org/ It seems to be a fine website, with up-to-date information and lively discussion taking place in Italian. However an English language encyclopedia page about juggling is not an appropriate place to advertise it. I am surprised that the site does not have a link from the Italian version of this page http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giocoleria Josephmcginley 15:59, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I've created {{ Juggling-stub}} and tagged several stubs accordingly (see what links here). — KNcyu38 ( talk • contribs) 04:04, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Traverse City West Senior highschool has had an active juggling club. Presedents Ted and Andrew run the club. The meeting are every Tuesday. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nateisonsomething ( talk • contribs) 16:39, 29 March 2007 (UTC).
Does anybody have a citation for the alleged fame of the WJF? I hadn't heard of it until I read the article. Seems at risk of falling under WP:PEACOCK.
entering the most difficult kinds of juggling contests such as the famous WJF Competition
Johnjlee 14:22, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Please add on the XX century part of article: "the art of juggling is state supported as high art on the Chinese People's Republic" (citing a book from 1986) [2] -- Enric Naval ( talk) 18:43, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
It looks to me like a lot of the information in the juggling notation article is duplicated here, as well as in the additional siteswap page. Maybe the notation page should just be merged here? -- Superfly Jon ( talk) 14:47, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
It's too bad that we can't make it so that the Sabre Dance from Katchaturian's Gayane automatically plays when one views this article (not to mention the one on plate spinning). -- Modus Ponens ( talk) 20:15, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
I've proposed a merge of Juggling pattern and Juggling notation. Please discuss on the talk page. Fences& Windows 03:22, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Is there any relevant, cited information for the infromation listed under the "Park" heading in this article? Seems mostly like pure opinion to me.
The text is: "Juggling can add a whole new dimension to a band performance in the park."
I've added a citation needed tag in the meantime but until someone can give a reference or a reason why this is relevant, I suggest removal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.12.14.250 ( talk) 02:53, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
This page appears to defy the XKCD Law of Wikipedia (mouseover bubble on http://xkcd.org/903/). A link for the word "Entertainment" in the first sentence would fix that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.95.68.62 ( talk) 09:06, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
dwell time?
dwell_time_juggling?
dwell time_(juggling)?
dwell time? .. sry .. I do'nt look through it anymore .. plz help!
(I was like shocked - moderately - to not find an existing article about dwell time for juggling .. alter it! .. do with what you want! .. but, please, make °°dwell time for juggling°° an existing article!
Help me to make an article for dwell time_juggling, this:
In
juggling, the
dwell time is an important parameter, meaning the time a so called '
prop', especially a ball, a ring, a club, or anything alike that are caught and thrown again, (.. not so much a diabolo, devil-stick or anything alike that are being handled with tools .. prop = requisite? propulsator? propulsion element? propelled thing?) stays in the hand that catches and throws it (respectively the time it is in contact with the tool handling it).
Juggling pingpong balls with pingpong rackets thus would give a dwell time near 0 or a minuscule fraction of a second, while a huge glass marble
contact juggled by a contact juggler gives a dwell time of like upto minutes.
At juggling clubs, balls or rings, the dwell time is usually fractions of a second. It is - looked at it exactly - the time from contacting the prop when catching, unto leaving the hand when throwing.
It can be varied by the juggler, by using different techniques of catching and throwing: e.g.
A ball can be caught with the whole hand - like gripped entirely -, then thrown again = long, slow dwell time.
It can be caught using the hand or even only the fingers like as a basket - without gripping it entirely, only like braking it to catch it, then giving it its direction when throwing it = average dwell time.
The ball can be ticked or flicked by using the hand like as a racket to propulse the ball back into the air, without even seizing it in any way = shortest dwell time.
.. where these techniques in their definition transition rather fluently into one another.
The
dwell time must not be confused with the juggling speed:
.. a certain
juggling pattern juggled at a certain height with a certain speed can be achieved with small (short) or high (long)
dwell time by using different of the above techniques.
Varying a 3-ball- cascade ( .. the article exists! ) or a 5-ball-cascade in speed or improving from 3b-casc to 5b-casc, will automatically improve a juggler's dwell time abilities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.143.233.97 ( talk) 19:25, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
I think its useful like to add C.E. Shannon's juggling equation within a short theory section (its a very simple one!) [3] [4]. There's aready lots of social and historical info (which is of course nessersary and good, I have no problems with what's in the article). It follows like this:
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
where (in his notation):
Here is what the equation means.
H and N are dimensionless numbers. D, F, V are times, e.g. measured in seconds.
The total number of hands manipulating the balls is H, from any number of people contributing to the pattern. If one person juggles, H can be 1 or 2. If more people were to enter the pattern H can be greater than or equal to 2.
The total time taken for all balls to be in contact with all hands, and thrown up in the air, is F + D.
The total time taken for a ball to not be in contact with any hands and thrown up in the air, i.e. time taken when no hands are on any balls, is V + D.
If F + D > V + D, i.e. (subtracting D from both sides) F > V, the juggler has the ball in his/her hand for a longer time then when a ball is not in any hand, the pattern is slower. Likewise F < V implies the juggler has the ball in his/her hand for a shorter time then when a ball is not in any hand, the pattern is faster.
As the throw hieght inreases, F increases, the ball is in the air for longer.
As the pattern becomes faster, D decreases and V increases, the balls are in the hands less and not in the hands for longer. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
What do people think?
-- F = q( E + v × B) 15:07, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
Those external links are the referances. One extra I didn't add is this one [5]. I havn't any books on this. Take it the answer is no, for inclusion to the article. =(
-- F = q( E + v × B) 17:46, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
Splendid! I was actually thinking the same about creating a new article for this, there is more mathematical theory to juggling as outlined in link [3]. Your point is fair eneogh, on second thought it does detract from the main topic of the article too much. Thanks for your offer to help wherever you can also.-- F = q( E + v × B) 09:17, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
I removed a large section of the article and wanted to explain why. The information is already covered in Juggling world records, which is noted in that section. This article really isn't the place for an exhaustive list of records, that article is. That article has the citations, this one didn't, which might explain concerns about vandalism on this page previously. Being that this is a general article on Juggling, this much detail is excessive, and either it needs to stay in the Juggling world records article, or the articles be merged. Since I don't think a merge is a good idea, I just removed the questionable and improperly referenced material here. In short, I think this article needs to focus on the concepts, types, influences and history of juggling, not the records. Dennis Brown ( talk) 14:01, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
To explain what's going on in external links I have already discussed with an admin who reverted my change:
Just curious about your edit on 21 June 2012 on Juggling. You removed a link to the Juggling Edge that I'd put up a short while earlier to replace the Internet Juggling Database which has recently closed down. I don't know if you are a juggler or not so I don't know if you are aware that the link that you left at the top of the list (JIS) has not been updated for over a decade. The Juggling page states that conventions & festivals are the 'backbone of the juggling scene'. The festivals page on the JIS http://www.juggling.org/festivals/upcoming/ points to the now defunct IJDb. The JIS clubs page is a major bone of contention in the juggling community because so much of the information is out of date. The IJDb was considered the most important link because it had the most up to date information. All the IJDb festival & club data now exists at the Juggling Edge. I don't understand why you removed a site with up to date info & promoted an inaccurate source?
If anything you should delete Juggling Universe (forum launched last year that never took off) & the instruction links & put in:
* I might have been too hasty. Go ahead and put them back, and I will leave it to the opinions of others. I try to always trim unnecessary links, but you make a good case. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 23:04, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
That change was then reverted by a Bot, presumably because of the Youtube URL, so I have now made the change again but included the best of the multiple tutorials from the original links - unfortunately this page uses quicktime so is less accessible than the youtube video that was blocked *shrug* — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.19.164 ( talk) 17:22, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
This article requires significant editing and referencing. I hope to do this on an ongoing basis - bit by bit. Please discuss any changes I do here before reverting them. Thanks Robynthehode ( talk) 15:50, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
I tried to display the video entitled "Two men juggling", but the video would not play. An error message was displayed: "For a better video playback experience we recommend a [ html5 video browser]."
However, my browser is Internet Explorer 9 which, according to the Internet Explorer 9 article, "supports the HTML5 video and audio tags". Wideangle ( talk) 08:04, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
I have reverted edits placing Penn from Penn and Teller as a notable juggler. He may be noted to do juggling in his magic act but that is not the same thing as being a notable juggler. He is a notable magician. Please do not include him as a notable juggler unless you first make your case here in the talk pages for his inclusion. Thanks Robynthehode ( talk) 02:27, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
Juggle Wiki is a popular, established, reasonably comprehensive and useful juggling resource that should be included in this page. Juggle Wiki K6e6n6n6y ( talk) 10:49, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
I removed the above because of misspellings and no description of the equation or the term cycle. Hyacinth ( talk) 07:19, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
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