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The result was: promoted by
Theleekycauldron (
talk) 00:37, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Improved to Good Article status by Chiswick Chap ( talk). Nominated by LordPeterII ( talk) at 10:32, 6 September 2022 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy compliance:
Hook eligibility:
Each fact in the hook must be supported in the article by at least one inline citation to a reliable source, appearing no later than the end of the sentence(s) offering that fact. Citations at the end of the paragraph are not sufficient. This rule applies even when a citation would not be required for the purposes of the article.I have also not been able to access the source and would therefore have to take it on WP:Good faith that it checks out—but that's not a problem, because I will.
QPQ: Done. |
Overall: The article was promoted to WP:Good article status on 3 September, and is well beyond the required minimum length. All sources are, as far as I can tell, reliable for the material they are cited for, and spotchecking them reveals no obvious disqualifying issues. Earwig reveals no copyvio and I didn't spot any instances of unacceptably WP:Close paraphrasing. There are no obvious neutrality issues.
QPQ has been done. That being said, there are a few things I would like to see addressed:
This set the stage for the Ring to pass to Gollum and then to Bilbo, as told in The Hobbit; that in turn provided the central theme for The Lord of the Rings.– the second half is, I feel, not very clear unless one is already familiar with Tolkien's works.
Isildur features briefly in voiced-over flashback sequences of Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings film trilogy. In a departure from Tolkien's narrative, he is made into a Nazgûl or ringwraith by Sauron in the video game Middle-earth: Shadow of War.gives kind of the same effect as a garden-path sentence—I initially parsed the second sentence as a continuation of the first one until I reached
in the video game Middle-earth: Shadow of War.
When Númenor was destroyed by Ilúvatar Elendil's family escaped in nine ships.– It should be briefly explained who Ilúvatar is so the reader doesn't have to click the link to find that out (from context, one might even infer that Ilúvatar was an ally of Sauron).
They sailed to Lindon– Link Lindon (Middle-earth).
Isildur returned with Elendil and Gil-galad in the Last Alliance of Elves and Men.– Link Last Alliance of Elves and Men.
It was 5 'October' in the second year of Isildur's reign– Why
'October'rather than plain
October?
Tom Shippey writes that Gandalf's account to the Council of Elrond of Isildur's description of the Ring combines hints of the ancient time in which Isildur lived, with old words like "glede" (a hot coal) and obsolete endings as in "fadeth", and "loseth", but with a sudden reminder of Gollum's name for the Ring, with "It is precious to me, though I buy it with great pain."– This sentence needs copyediting for readability and clarity. It seems ungrammatical to me
combines [...], but with [...], but that might be because it is a bit difficult to parse.
Later, as he sat at the base of a tree by the River Anduin examining the One Ring. He senses a disturbance, draws his sword, and is shot by Orc arrows a moment later.– This needs copyediting for grammar including sentence structure and verb tense.
In The Return of the King, Legolas calls Isildur "the last king of Gondor", but in the extended edition both Arnor and the House of Anárion are mentioned, and it is clear that Isildur was not the last king.– This seems like the kind of WP:ANALYSIS that really needs to come from the sources.
Isildur's fate differs from the traditional accounts– to me, "traditional accounts" is an odd phrasing to use for a work of fiction (as opposed to, say, legend/myth/religion/history).
... that J. R. R. Tolkien invented Elendil for a time-travel story, but ultimately included the character in his main Middle-earth mythology?, so this seems a bit repetitive to me. Could we perhaps find a hook that focuses on something else here?
Ping LordPeterII and Chiswick Chap. TompaDompa ( talk) 19:25, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
Like Jesus, Aragorn was the direct descendant in a regal lineage that had ceased to occupy the throne since a time of decadence in the nation's past.
LordPeterII - ping - I suspect the previous one didn't work as it was midway in a paragraph. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 18:00, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
Chiswick Chap, I should have been doing spotchecks when I reviewed this for GA, so I went back and did several. Most were OK, but I have one question.
-- Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 15:17, 22 September 2022 (UTC)