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For the pointless point of discussing whether the inconvenient truth of Irvin Rockman's consistently alleged criminality should be included in his article, or it should be a false representation, as a single editor desires – and has attempted to instil by edit warring, let's restate the facts. Here is what is disputed by editor @Zybax1!, despite it being authoratively and rigorously cited:
Irvin Rockman was married three times and had six children.
According to Derryn Hinch, former Melbourne Lord Mayor Ron Walker stated that due to his persistent opportuning, Rockman was nicknamed "Pervin’ Irvin". (REF: [1])
In 1980, reports by a private investigator alleging corruption amongst Melbourne city councillors and staff were leaked. Irvin Rockman's name was mentioned in the reports. Rockman stated that he would have been "an idiot to get a council department to fix my laws...I don't even know what the allegations are."(REF"Paul Robinson, 'Reports Were Leaked Says Gardens Chief', The Age, 31 December 1980, p3) The information led to the Council's sacking by the State Government, but the contents of the reports were not made public.
In 1981, Irvin Rockman was called as a witness during an inquest into the death of Cassandra Ogdon, a 25-year-old Melbourne university graduate, after she had named him in her suicide note as being involved in the importation and trafficking of cocaine. (REF: Mark Russell, "Win for third wife, but Yoda the dog gets $50k in lord mayor's will", 15 April 2015, [2])
Ogdon had been found dead in bed in a National Crime Authority (NCA) safe house with a plastic bag over her head, a rope around her neck and a note beside the bed. It was a few hours before she was due to give testimony at a hearing by the NCA into a drug importation racket operated by her close friend and former high school maths teacher, Peter Cross, the son of a former NSW Supreme Court judge, and, according to a written statement also made by Cross, Irvin Rockman, as financier. The suicide note, which was read to the court, stated:
"I do not prefer to wait for the day the NCA squeeze me to the point of necessitating my murder at the hands of hoons of Melbourne's leading business tycoons."(REF: Witness Poorly Protected, The Canberra Times, 25 May 1988, p8)
The note further alleged Rockman had been the financier of the trafficking. (REF: Witness Poorly Protected, The Canberra Times, 25 May 1988, p8)
Ogdon had been an exchange student in Bolivia where Cross visited her, and asked to be introduced to those who could facilitate the importation of cocaine into Australia. (REF:The Parliamentary Joint Committee on the National Crime Authority, Third Report, 1989, pp21-22.) In his own statement, Cross said Rockman and others attended "a ceremonial opening" of the cocaine delivery at Rockman's farm at Gembrook. (REF: Witness Poorly Protected, The Canberra Times, 25 May 1988, p8)
The inquest ruled Ogdon’s death a suicide. Despite a statement she made to the police alleging Rockman had engaged in intimidation of her, and testimony of a witness at the inquest that he had seen Rockman at his Malvern home warn Ogdon to keep quiet about the Bolivia deal, (REF: Rockman 'knew dealer', The Canberra Times, 27 May 1988, p8) the inquest cleared Rockman of involvement in Ogdon's death. Rockman also denied all knowledge of Cross's trip to Bolivia and of financing him. (REF: Suicide Finding In Ogdon Case, 28 May 1988, p7.) Contradicting this, in a police statement, Cross said Rockman and others attended "a ceremonial opening" of the cocaine delivery at Rockman's farm at Gembrook.(REF: Witness Poorly Protected, The Canberra Times, 25 May 1988, p8) However, Cross subsequently refused to give evidence against Rockman.(REF: The Parliamentary Joint Committee on the National Crime Authority, Third Report, 1989, pp21-22)
The National Crime Authority raided Rockman's homes in South Melbourne and Toorak and his farm at Gembrook during the investigation. (REF: Mark Russell, "Win for third wife, but Yoda the dog gets $50k in lord mayor's will", 15 April 2015, [3]) He denied having ever met Cassandra Ogdon.<ref>Mark Russell, "Win for third wife, but Yoda the dog gets $50k in lord mayor's will", 15 April 2015, [4]) However, the Coroner found Rockman had lied.
As detailed by The Parliamentary Joint Committee on the National Crime Authority, Third Report:
"Despite denials by Irvin Rockman, the Coroner found that Ms Ogdon had been present at premises in Malvern in August 1981 with Cross, Rockman and others in circumstances where cocaine was present and used." (REF: The Parliamentary Joint Committee on the National Crime Authority, Third Report, 1989, pp21-22)
The Coroner also found that Ogdon believed:
"Rockman was involved in the importation; that she had information which required her silence; that her silence had been specifically demanded of her at the gathering."[3.4](REF: The Parliamentary Joint Committee on the National Crime Authority, Third Report, 1989, pp21-22)
The Report also detailed the intimidation Ogdon was subjected to after she made a written statement to NCA investigators :
"a number of incidents had fuelled Ms Ogdon's fears for her safety and that of her family. A live bullet had been found at her parents home in May 1987, Rockman had pulled up in his car while she waited at a bus stop and had glared at her in what she perceived to be a threatening manner, she was visited at work by two men of whom she was suspicious, and who asked her about the contents of her statement to the Authority, and three nights before she was due to give evidence before the Authority, Ms Ogdon had received a phone call warning her not to testify." [3.5](REF: The Parliamentary Joint Committee on the National Crime Authority, Third Report, 1989, pp21-22)
The Report stated that notorious 'hit man' Christopher Dale Flannery was a friend of Cross, and Ogdon seriously feared for her life. [3.6] (REF: The Parliamentary Joint Committee on the National Crime Authority, Third Report, 1989, pp21-22)
Despite the evidence of the importation as detailed at the Ogdon inquest, including two statements by those involved alleging he was the financier of the criminal operation, Irvin Rockman was never charged.(REF: Mark Russell, "Win for third wife, but Yoda the dog gets $50k in lord mayor's will", 15 April 2015, [5])
Do let us know what particular point/s is/are disputable. The rationalisations will be worth a wry laugh. ClearBreeze ( talk) 16:12, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
Rockman was the financier of a cocaine importation ringwith a sentence along the lines of
Rockman was accused of financing a cocaine imporation ring. I would further move the entire section to a subheading "Controversy", rather than having it appear as part of the lead. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 18:41, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
@WikiDan61 Zybax1! has refused to engage, so there's nothing more to be said. ClearBreeze ( talk) 14:25, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
Howdy hello! I'm responding to a request for a third opinion made at
WP:3O. Having read the contested material, and the above discussion, I'm of the conclusion that the material should not be included. If anything is to be included, I think only a short blurb is warranted, otherwise the material would be
WP:COATRACKing. And if it were to be included, it would need to much more neutrally worded than the version I read, and based only on reliable, independent, secondary sources. The contested version was not reliably sourced, and jumped to a lot of conclusions. While the contested version may not have been written with the intent of smearing Rockman, it had that effect. I think a single sentence about the scandal might be warranted, such as Rockman was alleged to have been involved in a 1988 drug smuggling scandal, but no charges were ever filed and Rockman maintained his innocence.
, using
[6] as a source.
Captain Eek
Edits Ho Cap'n!
⚓ 19:32, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
@ ClearBreeze: If you are unsatisfied with this outcome, you are free to seek other avenues of dispute resolution. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 14:03, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
The consensus is that the current short summary about the allegations is sufficient.
Should this article detail allegations against the late Irvin Rockman that were subject to a Parliamentary inquiry that he: (1) financed drug importation; (2) engaged in witness intimidation leading to the suicide of a woman, Cassandra Ogdon, who was due to give evidence against him; (3) that the State Coroner in his report of Ogdon's death, found that Rockman had lied at the inquest; and (4) that following this, the National Crime Authority began assembling a criminal case against him, but it never proceeded due to other circumstances. The disputed content is found in this earlier version of the article: [ [7]] The sources are the Parliamentary Report, two leading newspapers, and an investigative book. ClearBreeze ( talk) 14:33, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi there! I found this page through the Auspol WP. It's an okay start, but much of it was copied directly from an article in The Age. I edited the wording to make it sound original. It is more conventional on Wikipedia to have a "Personal life" section instead of just a Marriages section. If the article was longer, this could be broken into "Early life" and "Personal life". Please add some information about his achievements as mayor and his business achievements. I don't know much about Irvin Rockman but I can try and hunt down a couple of sources. Apriljennifer ( talk) 13:04, 8 November 2019 (UTC)