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Must "intension" refer to a definition in terms of necessary and sufficient conditions, or can "intension" take more complex (and perhaps more psychologically plausible) forms, such as a fuzzy categories with "prototype effects"? In otherwords, can I use the word "intension" without comitting myself to classical categories? Also, would it be misleading to add a comment that extension is somehow "in the world", while intension is somehow "in the mind". (The answer is yes.) Is there a better way to put this? -- Ryguasu 00:37 Jan 30, 2003 (UTC)
Uhh, I'm pretty sure these pages are a bit mixed up. What is described as Intension here should be on the Intention page. As in Intentionality. At least that is my understanding from reading.. (Page 58 onwards) "Why Humans Have Cultures" by Michael Carrithers, 1992, Opus / Oxford Uni. Press. -- FeFiFoFum 22:43 Jan 8, 2004 (GMT) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.69.97.233 ( talk) 22:43, 8 January 2005
The recent anon edit that dealt with the 'cleanup' tag seems to have done so by removing most of the content of the page, which apart from some structuring issues, and the unfortunate example, seemed essentially sound to me. What we have in its place is terse, opaque, and is much reduced in scope. (You'd never guess from this it was a term in philosophy, maths, and computing science.) I'd propose to restore most of the deleted text, unless someone has specific objections... Alai 04:36, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Or can anyone think of a worthy difference between these two words? Since Quine's "Two Dogmas...", they've been treated as synonyms. Lucidish 1 July 2005 19:33 (UTC)
I usually avoid Wikipedia articles about mathematics or logic because they tend to overcomplicate otherwise simple concepts, so I'm pleased to say that this paragraph...
...is a great example of good writing. Less than a minute of reading and I understood a new concept. So congratulations to the author who realised complex formal definitions aren't the only way to get your point across! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.92.169.164 ( talk) 12:58, 7 March 2007 (UTC).
I don't know Saussure that well but the 3-way division described in this article sounds very wrong. My understanding has always been that the "sound image" is quite distinct from the "signifier." That is to say, many different "sound images" will evoke the same signifier, in much the same way that many different referents will evoke the same signified. So for example, a cockney "'ello" and a SAE "hello" are very different sound images, but they both yield the same signifier -- likewise, a particular oak and a particular chestnut are both referents of the signified of "tree." The linking of Signifier and Signified happens only after all the concrete pattern-recognition is done, and you have pure abstractions to work with on either side. I think? Solemnavalanche ( talk) 21:12, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
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I don't know enough to know if it should stay or not. -- Salix ( talk): 07:51, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
intension (n.) c.1600, from Latin intensionem (nominative intensio) "a stretching, straining, effort," noun of action from past participle stem of intendere (see intend). Online Etymology Dictionary
— Pawyilee ( talk) 16:48, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
The current version contains the sentence "The only extensional languages are artificially constructed languages used in mathematics or for other special purposes and small fragments of natural languages." For this to make sense, a "small fragment" of a language would have to be considered a language in its own right. Is that ever the case?
Hypehuman ( talk) 21:30, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
“Such terms may be suggestive, but a term can be suggestive without being meaningful.” In ordinary understanding, “suggestion” is equal to “meaning”. (That is why it is very difficult for a layman to understand why the “green ideas” “have no meaning”, if they transport the idea perfectly.) We further differentiate between useful meanings and useless meanings, but that's another story. Therefore, we have here a special usage of the word “meaning”. Therefore, it should be articulated in the article, what is the special area of knowledge where such usage can be encountered, and the sources for such specification should be given. - 91.122.0.30 ( talk) 06:52, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
"Everyone who has read Huckleberry Finn knows that the author of 'Corn-Pone Opinions' wrote it," does not, as such, necessitate that the readers of Huck Finn know Huck Finn's author as also the author of "Corn-Pone Opinions". It could just mean that whoever it is authored "Corn-Pone Opinions" is someone who is known by all readers of Huck Finn to have written Huck Finn. If and only if we read it as "Everyone who has read Huckleberry Finn knows that it and 'Corn-Pone Opinions' were written by the same author," do we have an intensional statement form.
The second example is self-contradictory. "Aristotle" is coextensive with "the tutor of Alexander the Great" if and only if we assume that Aristotle did in fact definitely tutor Alexander the great—the very thing denied by the statement "It is possible that Aristotle did not tutor Alexander the Great."
As for the third example... I just don't get it at all. What's the difference between "Aristotle was pleased he had a sister" and "Aristotle was pleased he had a female sibling"? I don't see any. 35.40.172.111 ( talk) 22:48, 10 February 2020 (UTC)