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[1] appears to show a scissors crossover between the southbound tracks south of Broadway-Lafayette Street, corresponding to the still-existing northbound one to the north. That would be how the rush hour
CC terminated at Broadway-Lafayette between 1949 and 1954 (see also
[2]). If the crossover between the express tracks north of Second Avenue existed then, they used that, but why didn't they stop at Second Avenue? It's likely that when Sixth Avenue trains ended at Broadway-Lafayette or Second Avenue, they used the crossovers north of West Fourth Street-Washington Square. --
NE2 16:16, 14 April 2007 (UTC)reply
Service history
Note that until 1988, some Manhattan Bridge trains ran local.
Q 1988-2001, 57th to Manhattan Bridge express (weekdays)
B 1988-2001, 57th to Manhattan Bridge express (non-weekdays) (sometimes F or S from 57th late nights and weekends)
Template neglects to show 'M' transfer at Delancey-Essex
The current 'NYCS Nassau south' template set for the transfer at
Delancey Street – Essex Street neglects to note the fact that the
M also stops there (on the Nassau Street Line platform). Should a new template be made for this situation? ~kiddRell_ (
talk) 07:57, 26 April 2011 (UTC)reply
I see no reason for the removal of defunct services, labeled as such.
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Ed!(talk) 01:05, 20 January 2019 (UTC)reply
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It is reasonably well written:
Pass External links and dab links look good. Copyvio detector returns green.
Might want to check the dup links; I see a few here and there it's picking up.
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Ed!: I removed many of them. However, some of the duplicate links are being picked up in places that aren't part of the prose, so I ignored these.
epicgenius (
talk) 17:28, 20 January 2019 (UTC)reply
This might be tough to find, but any details on where the tracks cross over or under other tunnels? Seems relevant given the mention of difficulty in construction as a result of this.
It's not a complete cross-section, but I found
this (AIA Guide to NYC, 1st edition). If I recall correctly, it passes over the
East River Tunnels and
IRT Flushing Line but under nearly everything else.
epicgenius (
talk) 17:27, 20 January 2019 (UTC)reply
History
Seeing some details
here mentioning other building proposals along 6th Ave. lines. Is anything there worth including?
Do any market studies survive for what projected ridership was to be when the line was in the planning stages? Would think they might have studied how neighborhoods to be served by the line were to grow or predict usage.
Not really. One thing to know about the IND was that they built lines that ran parallel to existing surface, elevated, and even underground lines, without regard to the cost-benefit analysis. The Sixth Avenue Line, for example, was built to compete with the Sixth Avenue elevated and surface lines. Same reasoning goes for the
Second Avenue Subway (competing with elevated and surface lines),
IND Fulton Street Line (competing with an elevated line),
IND Crosstown Line (competing with a surface line),
IND Concourse Line (competing with an elevated line)... you get the idea.
epicgenius (
talk) 17:27, 20 January 2019 (UTC)reply
"The IND Sixth Avenue Line was designed to replace the elevated IRT Sixth Avenue Line." -- Might be worth noting in a footnote why this line needed replacing.
Done.
"at which time the city began evicting residents within the line's route." -- Any estimated number here?
Done.
"March 23, 1936, Mayor LaGuardia" -- Link needed on first reference to all names.
Done.
And sense for the ridership of the Sixth Avenue Line once it was initially opened or how its opening impacted loads on the Eighth Avenue Line? Asking to quantify the relief effect mentioned in the prose.
It was relief for train traffic, not necessarily for ridership. As I mentioned above, the construction of the Sixth Avenue Line was more so the IND could compete with existing transit lines. I couldn't find any ridership stats from those early years, but it is worth noting that the subway system as a whole reached all-time-high ridership in the 1940s.
epicgenius (
talk) 17:27, 20 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Cost? "The express tracks were part of a major subway improvement program that began with the reconstruction of the DeKalb Avenue station in Brooklyn."
Added.
Any numbers on projected ridership or trains increase? "The two projects would increase the total number of trains that could go to Manhattan."
Added - 45 trains per hour, 90,000 more passengers.
Any cost for the renovations of the 23rd and 57th St. station updates?
It was $124.9 million for three stations (the 28th Street station on the
IRT Lexington Avenue Line was also renovated), since the renovations were all done as part of one contract.
epicgenius (
talk) 17:27, 20 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Daily ridership stats can be included in the prose too. Any chance for detail on how that number has changed over time?
I'll try to look, but line-by-line ridership isn't easy to find. Many of these are in print sources.
epicgenius (
talk) 17:27, 20 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Pass There's a decent mix of media, public and independent sources, no over-reliance on one of them as I can tell.
It is stable:
Pass No problems there.
It is illustrated by
images, where possible and appropriate:
Pass Images tagged PD where appropriate and there's a whole lot of graphics and iconography as well as maps. Plenty.
Other:
On Hold Nothing massive, just a few comments on this one. —
Ed!(talk) 04:35, 20 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Awesome, so the comments above have led to some significant additions to the article (1.5KB expansion) which has increased some of the specificity of an already very comprehensive piece. Based on this work, I'm going to Pass the GAN now. Well done! —
Ed!(talk) 17:59, 20 January 2019 (UTC)reply