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Adele is recording an hour long special for the BBC with Graham Norton on November 2. It's highly likely this will be broadcast before the SNL special, although a broadcast date hasn't been set yet. Can the 'Live perfomances' section be rewritten as it therefore isn't certain that the SNL performance will be the first one - maybe to something like 'Adele will perform the song live on the 21 November SNL show and also on the hour-long BBC special.' with no mention of which is first to reflect the ambiguity? Once we know which was first, we can change the text, but at the moment it's all speculation. Info about the BBC special here [1]. 109.154.101.127 ( talk) 11:28, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
I don't understand the Italy row. Does this mean that it was only released for radio play in Italy on 23rd (ie. not download which seems unlikely) or that it wasn't released worldwide for radio play on 23rd (which rather beggars the question of where it was, as it was played on UK radio and where's the date for worldwide radio play)? Btljs ( talk) 18:47, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
Region | Date | Format | Label |
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Worldwide | 23 October 2015 | Digital download | XL |
Italy [1] | Mainstream radio | ||
United States [2] [3] | 26 October 2015 | Hot/Modern/AC | Columbia |
27 October 2015 | Mainstream radio |
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Don't just keep editing backwards and forwards in the certification table. I have started a WP:RfC at Template_talk:Certification Table Entry#Sales_figures: combined vs traditional. Please contribute to that. Btljs ( talk) 10:29, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
jose.rms and Danielfuinogl as you have an opinion on what kind of sales to show in certifications, you might want to comment in the above discussion. Thanks. Btljs ( talk) 19:19, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
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New peak of #1 in South Africa http://sa-ema.com/airplay-chart 196.22.243.123 ( talk) 11:50, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
We need to have a serious discussion here folks. Yes, the song was warmly received, but many credible journalists (and people with ears to be quite frank) have pretty much lightly insinuated plagiarism and/or copy-right infringement regarding the song of the same name by Lionel Richie. Yes, I know it's mentioned there briefly in the article, but I think we need to have a more third-party perspective folks. Please, the more input from editors the better. Cheers.-- 2602:306:C400:1A60:50D2:FCC8:5C72:E536 ( talk) 03:44, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
@ Btljs: @ IndianBio: @ Calvin999: Before any of you 'experienced' Wikipedia editors hawk on my post, here are some facts not to be ignored: Newster, Entertainment Weekly, Rolling Stone, Billboard, Latin Post, Canoe all indicate similarities, all in differing levels of scrutiny. In fact, there seems to be another song they were "inspired" by that is also suspect.-- 2602:306:C400:1A60:80A0:B9E4:E827:AC5B ( talk) 23:52, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
Not done
The SNL episode featuring Adele as performer also included a sketch in which people having Thanksgiving dinner break into song (Adele's "Hello"). Is this worth including in the article? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:04, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 18:14, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
This is not soul. It's Psychedelic Soul Soul is too vague and could mean anything. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.137.97.243 ( talk) 11:26, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
@
Chucky1978miller and
IndianBio: could we discuss what's going on? Having a look at the reference on the section you are (nearly) both
edit warring over, I see a mention of "sold 3.1 million in its first seven weeks". My understanding is a single goes platinum at 1 million sales, so I would agree with
Chucky1978miller that this is 3x platinum. Any thoughts? In the meantime, I'd ask both of you to stop reverting as you have already broken the
three revert rule --
samtar
whisper 13:44, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
Specifically after I placed the 3RR warning on both your talk pages. I also believe the reverting stopped when I created this section and pinged you both (which should have already been done), but I can't be sure. Shall we continue this on the edit warring report? -- samtar whisper 17:33, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
Hello is #9 on Adult R&B Songs and #18 on R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay with an audience of 11 million in that format. It was just reported by Billboard: Billboard Article
Can someone add this, because I'm not very good with editing chart tables!
Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eliassarris ( talk • contribs) 19:48, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
@Unreal7 and @IndianBio and anyone else concerned/interested
I believe that a view count and ranking is appropriate in this situation. I think that the two issues are notability and sourcing.
I have done many edits across Wikipedia on these things, and something I strive for is consistency across the site.
Notability:
A few years back before my time, there was much discussion on List of most viewed YouTube videos on how long the list should be. It was eventually decided to be thirty videos long, so this seems to be the criteria for notability of view rankings that we have used in general across Wikipedia. So you will find that all the top thirty videos' articles have a line on their YouTube ranking. Recently, 'Hello' entered the top thirty (it is now 26th) so I added a YouTube view ranking line and removed the one for the thirty-first video's article. Another thing to consider is that Hello's views are growing very fast, so I fully expect it to reach the top five most viewed videos within a few months. So one way of putting it is that the notability is growing.
Sourcing:
We had some discussion more recently on Love the Way you Lie (a featured article) on whether the sources given of the MyTop100Videos YouTube playlist and the YouTube video itself were reputable enough to be used for sources for the view ranking and count respectively. It was decided to let the view ranking and count stay. I believe this was because:
a) For the view ranking, the playlist is auto-updated and also popular, so not susceptible to fanboys tampering with it. The order is also verifiable by comparing the counts of the videos.
b) For the view count, usually we need a third-party media source for content, but this is a rare case where the content we are interested in (the YouTube view count) is actually defined by the number on the YouTube page for the video. Any third-party media source would just be quoting the figure from this page. It does not come under the usual sourcing criteria, because if the content says 'On this webpage, it says the number is x', then that webpage is by definition the most reputable source for that information (if notable enough, as already discussed).
Since what is good enough for a featured article is good enough for the rest of Wikipedia, all top thirty most viewed videos' articles have a YouTube ranking and views line on Wikipedia, so I think we should keep it on Hello as part of this group.
Something else to ponder:
Another point to consider is how much to round the view counts. We usually round to the nearest 10 million views, and Wikipedia's rounding policy has nothing specific to say on it. As I said before, Hello's views are growing very fast (about 8 million per day) so would probably be updated almost every day. It might be possible to make an exception for Hello and change to round to 100 million to avoid this, but this would be hard to enforce (ie other people would change it and would be right to do so). The 8 million per day figure will fall though so I think it will be fine in the long run.
I've readded the view count and ranking for now but added these two new sources that I referred to (as in Love The Way You Lie) - feel free to debate on here.
Thanks guys - appreciate your hard work.
-- Tcamfield ( talk) 17:44, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
Not sure if this is worth mentioning or not, but the song was used in a Chris Christie presidential campaign ad. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 17:33, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
I just placed a section in this article called "Parodies" as there have been some well-known parodies of this song. It was a bold move to be certain. If consensus is that this section needs to go, no problem. Just a heads up KoshVorlon 15:11, 11 January 2016 (UTC) (edit) It was reverted, but the information is still visible | at this link KoshVorlon 17:48, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
I have not looked at the content that was added to the article, but I do think a "Parodies" section may be appropriate. The Saturday Night Live parody is particularly noteworthy. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 21:08, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
I don't know why nobody update rankings that hello is in "Year-end charts". For example, I visited Uptown Funk. Then, I went to the link; http://www.ultratop.be/nl/annual.asp?year=2015&cat=s, in the section of "Year-end charts". Finally, I saw in Belgium Hello is in the top ten. I want to update this section if none doesn't care. Luis5795 ( talk) 08:45, 25 January 2016 (UTC) Luis5795 ( talk) 08:47, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
Can someone kindly explain to me why my peak info about the Ukrainian radio chart ( http://fdr.com.ua/charts.php) was removed and at the same time on the "25" page the lenta source was accepted, whereas: 1) I don't think it's a less reliable website than FDR 2) this way we can post every iTunes chart. Why don't we do this? India and Philippines can't wait! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prz rulez ( talk • contribs) 19:49, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
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