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Just came across this, a rather extensive design document by Tim Schafar on Grim Fandango's puzzles. It might be useful for the article, it might not, but its interesting reading either way. -- Sabre ( talk) 00:48, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
The link is dead. Here is the backup copy-- SkyWalker ( talk) 02:58, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
I love wikipedia! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.71.69.33 ( talk) 01:02, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Very pleased to see this is a featured article. But can it stay that way? -- 78.144.242.111 ( talk) 01:48, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
It's not an article, it's a spoiler. Don't read the "Plot" part if you want to enjoy the game! 85.182.140.162 ( talk) 12:21, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
“ | Total cumulative worldwide sales are estimated between 100,000 and 500,000 units.[59] | ” |
It says its a commercial failure in two parts of the article, but the sales listed seem rather impressive. Game sells for $40, So that's 4 million to 20 million dollars. How much did it cost to make games back in those days? Dream Focus 01:24, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
I believe that Tim Schafer has said (somewhere) that Grim Fandango made money, but people just seemed believe for no reason that it tanked. 75.134.96.76 ( talk) 02:37, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
I believe that for most large companies it is mostly a matter of "what kind of product can we make to make the most profit" rather than "what kind of top notch product can we make and still make a profit". The game industry is no exception to this. So they think "why make an adventure and never make it above a million copies no matter if we have one of the best designers in the genre on board? Let's make an FPS!". Of course, games like Half-Life are not made every day. But neither are games such as this one. So basically I think that if you can work with someone of Tim Schafer's calibre you do so. It is very unlikely that you'll have a flop in your hands and very likely people will remember the game 10 years later. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.219.108.16 ( talk) 07:33, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
"Subsequently, the studio dismissed many of the people involved with their adventure games,[67][68] some of whom have since gone to create Telltale Games, creating an episodic series of Sam & Max games.[69] In 2006 LucasArts stated they do not plan on returning to adventure games until the "next decade".[70]"
These two sentences seem a little out of date, given Telltale have now released many more series and LucasArts have released the Monkey Island remake. - AlexTG ( talk) 02:20, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
193.122.22.247 ( talk) 12:54, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
The last line mentions a couple random fan sites. Any evidence these are notable sites and require mentioning? The citations are to the sites themselves and not to a news article mentioning them. If there is no news article, they shouldn't be here.-- Crossmr ( talk) 11:17, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
This section carries on a lot about what lucasarts did but has very little mention of Grim Fandango, things quoted don't mention the game, and focuses heavily on other franchises and not this. It then goes on to state that "However, no statement regarding a republishing, remake, or new game based on Grim Fandango has been made." which falls under WP:CRYSTAL and other issues like "We don't make a list of everything that hasn't happened, that could be unending". It creates WP:NPOV and WP:OR issues.-- Crossmr ( talk) 11:17, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
The Escapist ran an article earlier this month that discussed aspects of Grim Fandango's themes and other stuff that reviewers often overlook. The article is here, it might be useful, it might not. -- Sabre ( talk) 13:44, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
I think there should be a section about the excellent soundtrack by Peter McConnell.
Some info: http://soundtracks.mixnmojo.com/grim.htm http://www.discogs.com/Peter-McConnell-Grim-Fandango-Original-Game-Soundtrack/release/1517090 http://musicbrainz.org/release-group/63aa716d-a453-3e87-84e3-efd8bfd2754a http://musicbrainz.org/release-group/7fe6d55c-22fc-31c4-a460-0f299766b3b4 http://kotaku.com/5827410/the-video-game-that-got-jazz-so-so-right — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mayhaymate ( talk • contribs) 01:29, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
I agree. I have started drafting a soundtrack section. Soon I'll add it to the article. A listing of the soundtrack I am developing would look like this (length of each track still to be added):
No. | Title | Length |
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1. | "Casino Calavera" | |
2. | "Swanky Maximino" | |
3. | "Smooth Hector" | |
4. | "Mr. Frustration Man" | |
5. | "Hector Steps Out" | |
6. | "Hi-Tone Fandango" | |
7. | "She Sailed Away" | |
8. | "High Roller" | |
9. | "Domino's in Charge" | |
10. | "Trouble with Carla" | |
11. | "Blue Casket Bop" | |
12. | "Manny's Office" | |
13. | "Rubacava" | |
14. | "Blue Hector" | |
15. | "This Elevator is Slow" | |
16. | "Domino" | |
17. | "Don Copal" | |
18. | "Neon Ledge" | |
19. | "Nuevo Marrow" | |
20. | "Gambling Glottis" | |
21. | "Raoul Appears" | |
22. | "Scrimshaw" | |
23. | "Talking Limbo" | |
24. | "Coaxing Meche" | |
25. | "Lost Souls' Alliance" | |
26. | "Los Angelitos" | |
27. | "The Enlightened Florist" | |
28. | "Temple Gate" | |
29. | "Ninth Heaven" | |
30. | "Compañeros" | |
31. | "Manny & Meche" | |
32. | "Bone Wagon" |
The syntax/markup for a track listing allows to choose whether to by default collapse or expanand the list. I am showing it here by having "| collapsed = yes". Any opinions whether it should be collapsed or shown?
( talk) user:Al83tito 14:57, 29 March 2013
One of the sections has a script error. I cannot fix it however, is there anyone who can fix it? -- Pretty les♀, Dark Mistress, talk, 19:44, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
Look: http://thenextweb.com/media/2014/06/10/remastered-version-grim-fandango-coming-exclusively-ps4-ps-vita/ I've seen there's a small paragraph about it at the bottom of the intro paragraph, but I think we could put it in the DEVELOPMENT section, too. Like - enter more details about the remastered version. What do you think? Boky ( talk) 16:54, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Using the Checklinks tool, I've updated this article's dead links. A few notes:
This review was not comprehensive. The broken links should be up to date, but there may be other problems that I missed. -- chrisFjordson (talk) 19:11, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
I think it is worth "diversifying" and broadening the references in the article. Currently most references are to websites, which is perfectly legitimate. However, I suggest that in addition to those, we include more references to print-based specialized media (like the classic Computer Gaming World magazine), and mainstream media like newspapers. I am beginning to do that. I have also been adding already web archiving information to the citations of web sources. ( talk) user:Al83tito 15:45, 04 October 2014 (UTC)
The contributions to this article are great (well written and well sourced!), and I would like to suggest some enhancements and expansions to it. I think the Development the section is long, and it could be subdivided into some logical subsections, that could better guide the reader. These include:
I am suggesting taking the existing text, respecting the original contributors' text, and just introducing some subsection titles. The above are just some ideas on how to subdivide, but the exact subtitles could be worded differently. This all pertains to the development of the original game. In a separate discussion it should be discussed how to incorporate information on the development of the remastered re-release.
I also suggest one new subsection to development, or maybe a stand-alone section in the article:
Also, in the existing Awards subsection, I also suggest including a wikitable to better list all awards and nominations received by the game. An example of what I am talking about is in the Broken Sword series wiki article
Please share your thoughts on this proposals. Thank you. ( talk) user:Al83tito 15:25, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
Hi all. I am thinking of including a short music clip to illustrate the soundtrack. My understanding is that there are some strict rules to follow, according to the Non-Free Media policies, and specifically audio clips policies. These include, among others: Only 1 clip per record; the clip must be the lesser of 10% of the length of the song or 30 seconds; and the quality should be downgraded from the original (for example 64kbit/s -- in Ogg format/ quality). Any opinions or further guidance? ( talk) user:Al83tito 05:39, 15 October 2014 UTC
Some computer game magazines features Grim Fandango in their covers. I would like to propose the inclusion of this image, within the Reception section of the article. Any opinions on whether it would be good to include it?( talk) user:Al83tito 19:30, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
The date formats used in the article references (publication, archive and access dates) should be unified to use a single, consistent format as per MOS:DATEUNIFY. I personally prefer "Jan[uary] 26, 2015" over "2015-01-26", but the latter seems to be more common currently. Thoughts? — Jopo ( talk) 20:57, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Hi all. I think the article would benefit from the inclusion of an image that shows two frames that illustrate the difference between the graphics of the original game, and the remastered version. One example of this, is this image: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/t_original/zw3kb2qcvy7vbwdg8rlh.jpg . Any thoughts on the inclusion of this particular one, or some other one? The one I propose is in high resolution. I suppose that the quality should be reduced, although if it is reduced too much, then it defeats the purpose of showing the higher-def rendered textures from the remastered version, in contrast to the low-res of the original. Any thoughts on that as well? Thank you.( talk) user:Al83tito 13:50, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
I Would argue that the current image has been downscaled too much to show the main differences in the remaster. Yes, you have the lighting, but you're missing the uprezzed textures and the fact that they finally have proper antialiasing. Do remember that there is no hard and fast rule on the resolution of an image--it's just that, usually, a low resolution image is good enough. The actual guideline is to avoid using unnecessarily high resolution.
If necessary, we could compose an image that has both a full screen thumbnail (for lighting) and a smaller cropped out portion of the image for closer details. — trlkly 02:25, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
Thank you to all (and especially Masem), for the contributions in keeping the article updated with the new coverage regarding the remastered version. I think a while ago there was a brief dialogue on whether the info of the new release would merit a stand-alone wiki article, or just expand the existing one. For now, we have gone forward expanding the existing one. Several sections now include a subsection talking about the remastered game. This is true for Soundtracks and Reception. There is also a section "Remastered version" that stands as its own section, not being nested under any other section. That feels a bit odd: I wonder if it would either be nested under the Development section, or alternatively maybe should be relabeled to "Development of remastered version". ( talk) user:Al83tito 13:55, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
I think we can expect much more coverage in the next few weeks and months on the release of GF Remastered. So we can expect this subsection to grow. I propose creating a new dedicated "Video Game Reviews" template, to fill with the new scores given by the media. That would mean moving the 4 scores already entered in the existing scores box, into the new one I propose. I am happy to take care of that myself.( talk) user:Al83tito 19:25, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
There are two interviews with the lead programmer that I believe are not being used so far as sources for the wiki article. I am listing them here ( talk) user:Al83tito 12:00, 2 February 2015 (UTC):
This user has been making erratic changes and deletions in the past few days. Some are clearly vandalism. Thanks to some vigilant users and bots, all the changes were reverted. I am not very familiar with the procedures and criteria to block a user. Is it warranted to request blocking this user? ( talk) user:Al83tito 4:15, 5 Feb 2015 (UTC)
What does that mean? There's no explanation, and from the constant mention of the fact on articles about the game, it seems important. 122.59.144.15 ( talk) 09:22, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
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I wanted to run by the interested editors of this article, the idea of having a Further reading section, to highlight those works that delve in significant detail into different aspects of Grim Fandango. So far I can think of these ones:
The latter one is listed already (great!), so I also want to pose the question to nfellow editors if it would be good to also include it in this section I am proposing.
As I'd be interested to see what others' opinions on including this section, and if yes, what works should be listed within it.
Thank you.( talk) user:Al83tito 21:00, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
Per current polices, I am not proposing at this time that we include in the wikipedia article on Grim Fandango any fan sites as external links or references. On the other hand, as time goes on, there is the possibility that in the future some fan sites -especially about creations as remarkable as Grim Fandango- may come to be seen as interesting artifacts of their time, and that those could help shed light into, or illustrate, the cultural significance and impact on the zeitgeist, of Grim Fandango. This is why I would like to share further below the list of fan sites that I have attempted to compile before they might have fallen into oblivion. If others know of other old fan sites, I'd invite them to add them to the list.
As of 2021, The wikipedia policies on external links ( Wikipedia:External links/Perennial websites) say:
Along similar lines, Wikipedia:Reliable sources also steers editors away from using fan sites as sources for articles. Also we have a policy about No original research. And in the policies about What Wikipedia is not, it talks about it not being a directory. In addition to the policies, there are also some essays that speak to the encyclopedic character of Wikipedia and that Wikipedia is not a fan website. Others may point to additional policies and practices along these lines.
Instead, the talk page is where ideas and sources (especially ones that may need consensus building first) can be shared and their value deliberated.
Often, between something being in vogue, and something becoming of historical interest, it goes through a "valley of death" where it falls out of fashion and is mostly forgotten and unvalued; it is too old to be of interest, and still too new to be thought as historical. This can happen to physical objects, as well as information. Some items may be later on rescued and preserved, while others may be irreversibly lost.
Some may point that these websites are not irreversibly lost because they are already in the Internet Archive. Part of my motivation here is to list them so that editors can know these pages existed, and so they can go look for them in the IA. If we don't list them, it would be much more difficult for someone to know to look for them, and that would be tantamount to them being lost for all practical purposes.
So again, this list is not meant as a resource for use in the article now. But, in anticipation of the possibility of those becoming more interesting as they age, I wanted to shared the resource here for easier access and consideration of future generations of editors. Thank you. Al83tito ( talk) 10:03, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
(if anyone would like to share their take on this)
Grim Fandango received praise for its art design and direction. It was selected for several awards and is often listed as one of the greatest video games of all time. However, it was a commercial failure and contributed towards LucasArts' decision to end adventure game development and the decline of the adventure game genre until the 2012 video game, Telltale's The Walking Dead, became critically success has been seen as constituting a revitalization of the genre.
There aren’t sources for any of these claims and the last part is very incoherent. Bananasection ( talk) 16:36, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
207.229.139.154 ( talk) 19:07, 10 May 2023 (UTC)