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I noticed that User Sesmith reverted my deletion of the controversies category with a comment saying that the Indian placement program and his excommunication were controversial. I'm not going to disagree; I really don't know that much about Lee. However, the idea that these issues were controversial is not clear in the present version of the article, which never uses the word "controversy." If these issues were controversial, could you please edit the article to say so (and what your sources are). The article mentions his excommunication, but doesn't say that it was controversial. It says Lee criticized Benson about the Indian placement program, but it also says the Church didn't respond to his comments (making it unclear to this reader that there was really much of a controversy). BRMo 15:32, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
I was an LDS Indian Placement worker and was personally trained by Miles Jensen, the father of the Indian Student Placement program. I can answer any question you may have regarding this program. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaymes2 ( talk • contribs) 00:23, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
At the time some people, mostly the liberal intellectual fringe of church membership, had discussions as to if his dismissal was due to his dissenting views, his ethnic background, or a combination of the two. So, there was some controversy, but it would be hard to find anythng in print these days. Isaac Crumm 06:46, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
The letter that he sent to the church leadership was read to me first while sitting in his church van. He asked me what I thought of it. Not knowing, of course, any other of the reasons, which eventually caused his excommunication, I thought it was to the point and did capture the general air of opinion among USA "Lamanites", American Indians and those of that descent. Jaymes 3 Feb 08
It is unfortunate that Lee's later actions soiled his correct stance regarding the Mormon Church and American Indians. Jaymes 3 Feb 08
"Clergyman involvement in sexual assault does constitute a religious scandal"
As is the case here with your discussion, there is a lot of focus on what Lee afterwards did that detracts from the accuracy of his doctrinal aim toward the church leadership. Although he was convicted for what he did, this does not retrospectively muddy his earlier, insider observations.
An editor keeps adding a large amount of material on Lee's autobiography. I don't know what the value or reliability of this information is, but clearly it's not needed in this article. It sounds like the type of material that would be added to an article about the book itself, which article doesn't exist. Snocrates 01:22, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, it has a whole lot to do with the article. Our lives are not defined by formalized guidelines of what others think are valuable. Our live are defined by everything we do and say. I am the author of Lee's book, Silent Courage. Why was my name not included in the credits? Think awhile and you will see that this intrigue does lend well to this article. There are parts of this original manuscript that reveal much more than the book itself does. If you were to think clearly, the book defines everything about George P. Lee up to the tragic event of his life. All of this is course verifiable. I can supply the witnesses, about 22 of them and you will need to do the legwork since the burden of proof upon you editorial prosecutors lies with you. By the way, are you editors LDS? If you are, it certainly explains your myopic stances.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.48.187.246 ( talk) 16:25, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I'll bid $1.50 for the manuscript. -- TrustTruth ( talk) 20:23, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
It doesn't matter if my name is on it or not. I DO have the proof and the witnesses to verify it. Although the asking price is 50,000.00 with one person already discussing this amount with me, it may be better served in a "plagiarism" lawsuit against the publishers (Mo' money). What, will you mask truth with a-don't-touch-religion constraint! Ha, you have been molded politically correct, which I surmise will prevent you from ever developing a truthful eye. I may attack you religiously if your religion's idea places you at odds with known truth, i.e. evolution, etc. Whole truth defended will attack any religion holding partial a skewed viewpoint, lukewarm mixtures needing to be spat out. I will add, and this is a blatant religious attack, Joe Smith said that the Book of Mormon was the most perfectly translated book ever, that its text of Isaiah passages were so perfectly translated that all he had to do was open the KJV Bible and copy verbatim. Well, you must know that I am a Hebrew scholar and the text of Isaiah as in the KJV is quite off base in numerous ways. As you may know, but probably not, the Jewish scholars today only accept the Pentateuch, which excludes Isaiah this reason.
By the way, it does meet Wikipedia's verification criteria, the proof does exist. I earlier placed my authorship statement,which you deleted, though it had a perfectly sound reference to the Lehi Sympostim Newsletter, March 1984. Now, please do not be pantywaist scholars; just because my footnote was to a rare, collector's piece not readily available to the less thorough scholars, it need not be removed. You two are typical cynics, rather than critics, who only want the article short enough to focus on Lee's infamous criteria, which by the way is bulky compared to the other entries. You apparently, as news journalists have a habit of doing today in order to attract the decadent attention of their audiences, have devised and composed this page to reek with the fetid and negative. Unfortunate. You must present a truthful and well balanced characterization. Yes, including the sordid, unfortunate tragedy that betook this man who had been deluded from youth into blind obedience to nuance rather than substance. In order to say it must meet Wikipedia's verification criteria merely reveals that your scholarship ability is quite lethargic and unwilling to enter into a more probable and truthful arena. Additionally, when I wrote the book, I placed esoterica and hidden allegories in the book, realizing that silly people like you two, would surface in the future to try to dispute my authenticity as the author.
You, the loud mouth with the copy of Silent Courage. Come up with all the allegories in the book. Give me the purpose and reason that the chapters were subtitled so, if you have the ability. Don't you know that the Navajo Code Talkers had a higher standard of English than most college professors of the same? Do not think for one minute that Lee would have asked another writer with less skill than he, himself, to write his life story. If you can read, come up with just one in the chapter, A brush with Death. Post what you find here as proof that you can read. If you can't, then stay out of the melee.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.48.187.151 ( talk) 21:15, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I recommend that if you two have any futuristic vision, to start buy up available copies of the book while you can and while you can at the present low rate they are going for. When this news breaks, the books, as you know, will be hoarded. Just as a sidline, I am an ancient Hebrew scholar--I taught English of late at the Arab American University at Jenin, West Bank. Wise it is to withdraw from the melee. Look it up. No pun intended on Lee by the way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.48.189.9 ( talk) 01:51, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
I would really like to see a page dedicated to Lee's doctrinal interpretation regarding American Indians. Perhaps the creation of a new page, separate from his own, would be beneficial. 72.48.189.69 ( talk) 19:34, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
http://www.lapahie.com/George_Patrick_Lee.cfm —Preceding
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