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sounds too much like a high school report. a bit gushy at times. the tone is inappropriate for an encyclopedia. 141.213.39.73 17:38, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)
first, Cayley...
then,
aren't these a bit incongruous? he is "widely" regarded as the first aerodynamicist, but nobody today knows why (?). no engineer or scientist thinks like that. 141.213.39.73 17:45, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)
according to the external link:
141.211.174.217 00:55, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
The article says he invented all these things and that his work "fell into obscurity". This is correct. He did good scientific work, and published it, but it was fifty years before anybody followed it up. That is hardly his fault. What have you got against the bloke? User:GrahamN 24 Oct 2004
Cousin or Nephew? It says both. Jooler 10:53, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Accoring to a magazine article I read but cannot cite since I didn't note the ref., his manned glider was not steerable and it flew 270 meters. This is about double the distance the german wik gives in its cynical article (allegd flight).
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I seem to recall reading somewhere that Cayley did calculations of the power-to-weight ratio of an engine needed for powered flight. He concluded that no engine then existing had the required ratio so he concentrated on gliders. True? Jagdfeld ( talk) 22:09, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Removed sentence about first heavier than air flight because claims exist for earlier such flights/glides. The subject of "first" is quite controversial. See also these articles (which are referenced at end of Cayley article): List of early flying machines; First flying machine. DonFB ( talk) 18:13, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Nice article.
I was thinking - how about grounding the article in terms of where they got the idea of that airfoil shape. I discovered that sailors have been talking about lift and that airfoil shape since Egypt ruled, it's really a basic principle of sailing. I think I'm going to copy this to the wiki reference on wing as well.
When I started looking into this I thought these guys like George Cayley were pretty esoteric thinkers to just sit there with Bernoulli's Equation in the 1700's and come up with the airfoil. If you look at it, he was just describing a long-known phenomenon in the lab. In fact I'm a little shocked at how long it took to develop the airplane wing, historically speaking. We've known this for a real long time. This may be obvious you folks on the coast, but it wasn't obvious to this land lubber.
Just a sentence in the intro like...
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Does the article really need the duplicate references and very lengthy quotes they contain? TheLongTone ( talk) 11:42, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
It is said often enough that Cayley "reinvented the wheel". The phrase is a well-known cliché and therefore introduces light-hearted overtones which are not part of Cayley's story. Citable sources are naturally aware of the overtones when they deliberately use the phrase to describe Cayley's tension-spoked wheel. Should we repeat it because it is well-known and citable, or should we paraphrase it to avoid those irrelevant overtones? — Cheers, Steelpillow ( Talk) 21:44, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
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The family owned land at Rhos-on-Sea, Colwyn Bay. He is commemorated there by the Cayley Arms pub, and the Cayley Promenade. http://historypoints.org/index.php?page=the-cayley-arms https://www.facebook.com/pages/Cayley-Arms/150688288299100 78.147.41.147 ( talk) 16:39, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
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I think the image of the reproduction of Cayley's glider in flight should remain in the article. User Hullaballoo Wolfowitz deleted it and I restored it. Hullaballoo re-deleted it. Hullaballoo's edit summary justification when re-deleting is: "The article already includes a free image of a replica glider, which shows its features much more clearly. Demonstrating that a replica could fly is unnecessary; that fact is well-documented by text alone." My opinion is that the in-flight image is unique and offers a dramatic real-world view of how the glider might actually have appeared in flight. The in-flight image provides a very different view than the museum image, which is actually cluttered and does not very clearly show the glider's features, which are shown by the in-flight view. I have no objection to retaining the museum image, but I believe Hullaballoo's rationale for deleting the in-flight image is unpersuasive. The in-flight image is, I believe, a worthwhile supplement to text which states the glider flew, a fact that Hullaballoo apparently believes should have no illustration. Hullaballoo also seems to object to the fact that the image is non-free, an issue which is irrelevant, as such images are permitted by policy. DonFB ( talk) 00:52, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
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The wrong wife has been given for Sir George Cayley. He married Sarah Walker, daughter of his first tutor George Walker, who has a Wikipedia entry here which correctly mentions his daughter's marriage to Sir George Cayley. See Sir George's entry in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, Clay's edition of Dugdale's Visitation of Yorkshire, and many other places. I am making the necessary changes, with sourcing, and adding to the entry for Sir George.
Sarah Benskin Charlotte Elizabeth Cayley, who has been shown as his wife, was someone different: her birth was registered at Newington, Surrey in the 3rd quarter of 1849, with her mother's last name as Hobbs (a transcript of the birth registration can be seen on FindMyPast - subscription needed - here. She died in 1854 - her death was registered at Newington in the 4th quarter of 1854 - transcript, again on FindMyPast, here.
The death of Sarah, wife of Sir George Cayley, was registered at Scarborough, Yorkshire in the 1st quarter of 1855: death registration entry.