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I can't see any reason why this article should have been moved from "Frederick, Prince of Wales" - the most commonly used name. As with all other princes and princesses, his middle names can be (and are) mentioned in the text. I intend to move it back unless anyone has any objection. Deb 17:46 1 Jul 2003 (UTC)
I've always seen him referred to as Frederick Lewis. john 19:10 1 Jul 2003 (UTC)
I doubt that you've always seen him referred to as "Frederick Lewis". "Frederick Louis" is equally common, and just plain "Frederick" is more common than either. Deb 20:42 1 Jul 2003 (UTC)
In view of the quantity of research I've done into the subject, I would have to dispute your findings, and I do believe the move was quite unnecessary. However, as someone's now gone to the trouble of changing all the links to the new title of the article, I shan't bother changing it back. Deb 19:34 2 Jul 2003 (UTC)
I think the reason we have Gladstone at "William Ewart Gladstone" is because he is referred to by his full name (or at any rate as "W.E.Gladstone") at least as often as he is referred to as "William Gladstone". That's not true in the case at issue. We don't generally have princes and princesses listed by their full names (except where necessary for disambiguation), because the middle names are rarely used.
By renaming the article "Frederick Lewis", the person who did so (and I know it wasn't you) has made it less likely that people will find it on their first attempt at searching, simply because of the confusion over "Lewis" and "Louis". The comparison with entries in printed encyclopaedias is not appropriate, because they are searched alphabetically. Wikipedia is not. Deb 21:52 2 Jul 2003 (UTC)
P.S. See my user page to understand my other comment.
Hmm... book on famous people from Wales, eh? I'd note that it's possible (although I'm not certain of it), that I was the one who moved it to "Frederick Lewis". If so, I apologize. I shouldn't have done so without consulting first. In any event, I'm still not sure what should be done here. On the one hand, I still think he's referred to as "Frederick Lewis" or "Frederick Louis" at least as often as "Frederick". On the other hand, the fact that there's two spellings is problematic (too bad he was christened in Hanover, eh?). Getting back to Google, "Frederick Louis, Prince of Wales" gives 356 hits; "Frederick Lewis, Prince of Wales" gives 141 hits; and "Frederick, Prince of Wales" gives 1,310 hits, of which only 130 seem to be short for "Henry Frederick, Prince of Wales". So, if you'd like to move it back, although I'm still not completely comfortable with it, I'd be willing to help change the links back, and such. john 00:15 3 Jul 2003 (UTC)
I don't understand the statement:
According to Charles, Prince of Wales, he also has the title Prince of Wales. Could someone with some knowledge of the subject elaborate. -- enceladus 08:47, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Changed Lewis to Louis, because I thought it was just a mistake, but then I see here that there's been discussion about it. Well, I can't say authoritatively or anything, but Britannica and other references do say Louis. Everyking 18:22, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)
There are lots of references to Frederick being killed by a cricket ball, and only slightly fewer that mention a tennis ball. But as our own article on tennis mentions, tennis is known to have been invented in the mid 1800s, 100 years or more after Frederick's death. So I've edited to reflect these facts. - dmmaus 10:47, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Tennis is in Shakespere, Ever hear of the Tennis Court Oath in Paris, 1789? [[ Paul, in Saudi 10:54, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)]]
Oh, yes. I see now the tennis article refers only to lawn tennis. Real tennis has a much longer history. Re-editing this article to explain more clearly. - dmmaus 03:30, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The whole story is apocryphal, at any rate. The ODNB notes:
john k 05:07, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Even better. Thanks for clearing that up properly. - dmmaus 08:39, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've tagged the "titles and styles" section with an unreferencedsection template. What evidence is there that he was styled "Prince Frederick of Hanover" rather than "Duke Frederick of Brunswick-Lueneberg" in the period 1707-1714? And the article on Duke of Gloucester says he was styled by that title from 1718 until he was created Duke of Edinburgh. Opera hat ( talk) 14:38, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Recently the file File:Frederick Lewis, Prince of Wales by Philip Mercier.jpg (right) was uploaded and it appears to be relevant to this article and not currently used by it. If you're interested and think it would be a useful addition, please feel free to include it. Dcoetzee 06:57, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
The story of the birth of the first child, the "she-mouse" Augusta, appears to contain a contradiction in timing. The reference given indeed states that the birth took place in July, but the first child is said in all other sources to have been born on August 31 of that year! I don't think this is possible. -- NellieBlyMobile ( talk) 14:59, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
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The Post-nominal letters, as they appear now, do not appear in the common way in Wikipedia. They should be changed to Template:Post-nominals. Thank you. Duke of Somewhere ( talk) 12:12, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
One editor keeps going around replacing long-standing images of royalty without consensus. In this case, the picture of Prince Frederick had been in the infobox for a decade. The editor in question replaced this image with the one on the right. It could be problematic if the image keeps changing. Векочел ( talk) 16:30, 12 March 2022 (UTC)