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Did you know... that a century after Irish antiquarian Francis Joseph Bigger had revived the Ulster Journal of Archaeology, sites he had dug were still being referred to as "well and truly Biggered"?
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There is a portrait by William Arthur Fry but I cannot unequivocally prove that Fry's copyright has expired. In any case, a photograph would be better. There are definitely a few, such as the one used in this article. But I have no provenance information. Someone else will have to deal with this.
Uncle G (
talk) 03:50, 10 June 2019 (UTC)reply
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The result was: promoted by
Yoninah (
talk) 23:04, 4 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Mandarax, I am more or less used to including such dates, because I believe they provide context. If you like it better without, go for it: I trust your judgment.
Drmies (
talk) 02:15, 11 June 2019 (UTC)reply
Doesn't matter to me. My personal preference doesn't override yours. I trust your judgement more than my own, except, of course, in the preferred spelling of "judgement".
MANdARAX•XAЯAbИAM 02:33, 11 June 2019 (UTC)reply
Other problems: - Is it intentional for the dates to be YMD? Usually it is in DMY or MDY format in the prose. I don't really care about the date format though.
Other problems: - Well, OK. But I wonder if there are any other interesting hooks that can be created from the article. It seems like Bigger was quite an interesting fella. For instance, I liked this factoid: His interest in archeology remained noted by archeologists a century later, with sites that he had dug being known informally as "well and truly Biggered"
Epicgenius, thanks--the YMD format, I think
Uncle G chose that because it is a very acceptable way of doing things in Europe. As for the hook, I don't know. I think the "Biggered" thing is funny but somewhat minimal; I wrote the hook the way I did because it allowed to give more wikilinked context. But I'm open to suggestions.
Drmies (
talk) 21:45, 22 June 2019 (UTC)reply
The "well and truly" one is understandably tempting, although I would not go with it myself, for much the same reasons. There are a lot of others. Let me know if any of these interest you, so that I can write them up, because there is so much available that is not even in the article, yet.
Uncle G (
talk) 21:51, 23 June 2019 (UTC)reply
ALT2 ... that Francis Joseph Bigger made subtle alterations to
Lyttle's Betsy Gray that are now the authoritative version of its text? (
Beiner 2018, pp. 326–327) harv error: no target: CITEREFBeiner2018 (
help)
ALT3 ... that Francis Joseph Bigger fought, and won, an argument with William Thomas Latimer in the pages of Irish Book Lover? (
Beiner 2018, pp. 334) harv error: no target: CITEREFBeiner2018 (
help) Latimer has an entry in the DUB. Irish Book Lover is in encyclopaedias and history books.
ALT4 ... that in addition to 267 journal articles listed in his own name at the
NLI, Francis Joseph Bigger wrote pseudonymously as ENREI? (
Beiner 2018, pp. 324, 365) harv error: no target: CITEREFBeiner2018 (
help)
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Uncle G: Sorry for taking so long. I like your first and second alternate versions much better, so let's go with either one of these. I personally prefer the first alternate, though.
epicgenius (
talk) 17:27, 30 July 2019 (UTC)reply
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Epicgenius: Coming to promote this, I cannot find the hook facts for either of the two hooks you seem to have approved in the article. The "well and truly Biggered" quote is much more hooky.
Cwmhiraeth (
talk) 05:43, 2 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Cwmhiraeth, i seem to have missed that - let's go with the "Biggered" hook instead.
epicgenius (
talk) 13:09, 2 August 2019 (UTC)reply
ALT6 ... that a century after Irish antiquarian Francis Joseph Bigger had revived the Ulster Journal of Archaeology, sites he had dug were still being referred to as "well and truly Biggered"?
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Epicgenius: Can you give it a formal tick then so that it can be promoted? Thanks. (I have renumbered the hooks)
Cwmhiraeth (
talk) 05:11, 3 August 2019 (UTC)reply