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The primary sentence "Fluoride therapy has been proven to have a beneficial effect on the prevention of dental caries.[10]" needs to be rewritten as it is demonstrably false and does not reflect the article cited.
Reading the cited article, it does not say anything has been "proven" at all.
In fact it highlights how the current recommendations on Fluoride are problematic and should be reexamined - meaning reduced use of Fluoride.
It states "Clinical Implications. The current recommendations for use of fluoride supplements during the first six years of life should be re-examined."
Here's quote from the summary of the actual article cited:
"Conclusions. There is weak and inconsistent evidence that the use of fluoride supplements prevents dental caries in primary teeth."
Let me repeat - "weak and inconsistent evidence." After dozens of experiments, proof remains leagues away from the idea of "proven" as used in the Wiki article primary sentence. Proven in a scientific context means "with certainty" or "persuasive." Neither of those are even close to the actual science article's statement -- "weak and inconsistent evidence."
Perhaps Draicone could rewrite this statement? Thank you.
The cited article goes on to state:
"Mild-to-moderate dental fluorosis is a significant side effect."
"Significant side effect"
Nowhere does the Wiki article reflect that caution.
Perhaps Draicone could rewrite this section ? Thank you.
not sure where to put it, the table Fluoride conversion chart could use an explanation.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.77.145.193 ( talk) 03:13, 21 May 2013 (UTC) Beginning to wikify. Have checked for copyright violations. -- Draicone (talk)
There are NO citations whatsoever. The neutrality of this section should be disputed.
There needs to be a section dealing with thyroid issues, as fluoride in any amounts accumulates in the gland. Erstwhile, removing iodized bio-mechanical molecules. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.24.164.249 ( talk) 00:14, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
This page will confuse people because it deals mostly with topical fluoride but then throws in water fluoridation without justification. Could you please add the following sentence as the second sentence in the page:
Fluoride is often use as a topical dental treatment but fluoride is not safe to randomly consume.
Thanks LisaChris 00:34, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
I have removed the wikification template. -- Draicone (talk) 08:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
There are those who believe that fluoride is detrimental to human health and should not be used at all. I am not an expert in this field, but I think that, although it is a "minority opinion," it should be adequately addressed in this article.-- Dlgwiki 18:36, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
It's not only water fluoridation that is controversial, also dental treatment and prevention with fluoride so why did you remove the part that adressed that? Are you benefiting whom doing this?
The words Joel Griffiths Flouride in a google search should provide the answer you seek, if you seek a negative and informative light on flouride. We are talking about money here, not science. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.47.116.249 ( talk) 19:33, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
The section on fluoride treatment at the dentist needs much more. Some dentists routinely treat all patients with high-concentration foam in trays. This can add $25 USD to each cleaning visit. What chemicals are used? What concentrations? What are major brands/products? What are pros/cons of such treatment? To what extent can same benefits/results be obtained at home? How much cheaper would that be? 69.87.200.131 15:42, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
This might be a good place to start as far as deriving citations, recognizing of course that it is biased against flouride: —Preceding unsigned comment added by BlauNacht ( talk • contribs) 19:48, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Can someone please add more things so as to explain more about what is happening at the micro level?
I want to know how flouride attracts calcium into the tooth specifically as is claimed in the article, and what levels cause hypothyroidism, and what occurs on the micro level if your 9 month old kid decides that your toothpaste tastes good and eats the whole tube's worth (assuming it's a new tube of a leading brand). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.47.116.249 ( talk) 19:23, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
The article currently reads like an ADA propaganda pamphlet (and disgustingly US-POV). And rather devoid of meaningful details.
What if a person wants to get the most benefit from a fluoride toothpaste? What would be the best way to use it? How many times a day? How long to leave it in, "soaking" the tooth surface? What sources provide what real data to support what treatment schedules?
What if a person was willing to use fluoride toothpaste, but wanted only "topical" treatment, and wanted to avoid "systemic"? Is it enough to just spit out the toothpaste, or should the mouth also be rinsed?
How many times would fluoride toothpaste have to be used, in what way, to be about equal to one expensive fluoride treatment at the dentist?
How many fluoride treatments at the dentist are optimally recommended per year, by who, for who; what are the data that support these recommendations? - 69.87.204.120 14:14, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
"Most toothpaste today contains 0.1% (1000 ppm) fluoride, usually in the form of sodium monofluorophosphate (MFP);" I don't know about the US, but this is not true in Canada. Here, most toothpaste contains around 0.24% sodium fluoride. Some contains 0.76% sodium monofluorophosphate, and one brand has stannous fluoride. 70.24.141.109 ( talk) 18:16, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Sources? Most brands of fluoride varnish are 5% NaF, so someone might want to add that.
I've had both varnish and gel, and I would say that the gel has a much more pleasant taste. The varnish has a very objectionable taste for about an hour after application.
Here's some more info if someone would like to add. http://health2k.state.nv.us/oral/FVManual.pdf http://www.ada.org/prof/resources/topics/science_fluoride_varnish.asp http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/04/000413145117.htm
The "benefits of fluoride therapy" section is largely copy-paste from this website:
http://www.animated-teeth.com/tooth_decay/t4_tooth_decay_fluoride.htm
Just thought you might want to know.
-- 128.192.185.240 ( talk) 15:16, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
I reverted Petergkeyes edits because the sources do not adhere to WP:RS. The sources, fluoridation.com and fluoride alert, are groups that hold a minority view and are challenging the scientific establishment. In any case, WP:RS states, "Articles should rely on reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy." Those sources clearly do not fit that description. - Dozenist talk 12:31, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
To site the above, the "scientific establishment" declared in 1933 that flouride is a great rat poison. It's old news. This was challenged in 1940 by ALCOA hired scientists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.47.116.249 ( talk) 19:27, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi Dozenist. Twice now you have removed my citations of the New York Times and the Journal of the American Dental Association. Fluoride Action Network and nofluoride.com are merely the messengers for these sources. I am not sure what reference from fluoridation.com you refer to. Do you not believe that the New York Times published a story on William Kennerly's fatal fluoride overdose? If you are doubtful of that fact, what should be done to indicate to you that it is a real New York Times article?
Likewise with the JAMA article. It is a real article - I have seen a hard copy of that edition of the Journal. I intend to reverse your removal of my valid citations. Petergkeyes ( talk) 02:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
I've pov-tagged the section given that the sources are cherry-picked by extremely biased sources and in most cases there has yet to be any effort to apply basic WP:NPOV guidelines to the presentation of the material. Overall, we're giving undue weight to fringe opinions. -- Ronz ( talk) 16:34, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
The intro to the health risks section has now been cited via the Mayo Clinic. I would advise removing the POV tag. I invite Dozenist, Ronz and anyone else to help improve this page by providing reliable information and citations for the health risks involved with fluoride therapy. Petergkeyes ( talk) 00:06, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Dozenist didn't like the Mayo citation for the particular statement. It was a rather weak way to start in on health risks. Stating what fluoride is not is rather different than outlining the health risks of fluoride therapy. So I deleted this sentence: "Fluoride is not a vitamin or a necessary mineral, and aside from making the teeth less susceptible to cavities at low levels, it has negative effects on the body when consumed." It is a hot button sentence bound to get everybody all upset, and I believe the section is much stronger without it.
The sentence on the overdose looks nice and concise. But I think it should state that it was fluoride therapy in the dentist's chair that killed the boy, rather than some other form of ingestion, such as eating rat poison or toothpaste. That might force it into two sentences. Petergkeyes ( talk) 04:57, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
I’m thinking the Health risk section should be lower on the page with it clearly stated that all risk factor are from improper use. The health risks are at levels above the recommended rate. Yes someone can die if they take enough of it. Yes young kids can die if they take cold medicine, or any other medication. It is the improper use that in the concern. The recommended amount added to drinking water changes do to climate. Some areas need to actively reduce the naturally occurring fluoride levels in the drinking water. 98.198.24.78 ( talk) 05:24, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi Shot info, I've raised your issue over at here at WT:CITE. ImpIn | { talk - contribs} 17:21, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
The full text version of the NYT article has been restored. It is good to see the official NYT truncated version, but the information provided in the complete text is crucial. Petergkeyes ( talk) 05:06, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Follow my link to WT:CITE. Boracay Bill raises the fair point that this work is likely copyrighted, and shouldn't be linked to. ImpIn | { talk - contribs} 11:26, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
How about this link: [1]. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 15:39, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Any logic behind the order the different methods are presented in Fluoride_therapy#Delivery?
Also, is ' Indications for fluoride therapy' meant to be a subsection of 'Delivery'? Tremello22 ( talk) 20:00, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
I thought I would provide the citation for the literature that directs evidence based planning & practice of fluoride therapy at the University of Alberta, Faculty of Dentistry. Hope this is helpful in the development of this article.
We have two recent, excellent reviews. Here is what they say(emphasis added):
The Rošin-Grget source says: "In spite of extensive literature on the antimicrobial effects of fluoride on oral microflora,today there is very little consensus that the anticaries effect of fluoride is related to inhibition of oral bacteria.."
I think hardkhora is misunderstanding the English here. What that means, is that very few people believe that the anticaries effect of fluoride is related to inhibition of oral bacteria.
There is a clear consensus on how Fl works. It is enhancing remineralization; any action on bacteria is not a big deal. The current text is NPOV and accurate. To write that "there exists no consensus on the effects of fluoride on oral bacteria." is simply not true. Jytdog ( talk) 13:14, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
User:Yobol( talk) you reverted my recent edit that was: A primary study looked at fluoride's effects on oral microflora and this study concluded that fluoride may not solely interact as an antimicrobial agent, rather additionally acting to reduce bacterial adhesion to teeth along with the action of decreasing of demineralization. Further investigation will need to be done to verify these claims. [1]
I think this does follow MEDRS beause when I read: "The rare edits that rely on primary sources should have minimal WP:WEIGHT, should only describe the conclusions of the source, and should describe these findings clearly so the edit can be checked by editors with no specialist knowledge. In the rare cases when they are used, primary sources should not be cited in support of a conclusion that is not clearly made by the authors" and the section Respect secondary sources /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Identifying_reliable_sources_(medicine)#Respect_secondary_sources)
My edit follows those criteria. Please help me understand why you think it doesn't. Hardkhora ( talk) 21:49, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
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5000ppm: For example 3M ClinPro has 5000ppm fluoride. Officially one can use it one time per day, but probably one can safely use it 3 times per day because a competing brand Colgate says their 5000ppm fluoride toothpaste can be used 3 times per day.
12500ppm: Does one get any additional benefit by brushing with 12,500 ppm fluoride toothpaste once per week or once per 2 weeks? I am mainly interested in Proximal Caries = InterDental Caries. https://www.gebro.com/en/produkte/elmex-dental-gel/ "Active substance: Amine fluoride, Sodium fluoride". Elmex says you should use it only once per week. Some dentists tell their patients that once per 2 weeks is enough.
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While this article does a good job at discussing different fluoride delivery methods and concentrations, I think dosage related to age should be added. From 6 months-adult the dosage amounts should be included and the most effective way to receive fluoride. Also, what can happen systemically and tooth related if too much or too little fluoride is ingested. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarndt17 ( talk • contribs) 01:04, 30 July 2018 (UTC)