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We should have an article on every pyramid and every nome in Ancient Egypt. I'm sure the rest of us can think of other articles we should have.
Cleanup.
To start with, most of the general history articles badly need attention. And I'm told that at least some of the dynasty articles need work. Any other candidates?
Standardize the Chronology.
A boring task, but the benefit of doing it is that you can set the dates !(e.g., why say Khufu lived 2589-2566? As long as you keep the length of his reign correct, or cite a respected source, you can date it 2590-2567 or 2585-2563)
Stub sorting
Anyone? I consider this probably the most unimportant of tasks on Wikipedia, but if you believe it needs to be done . . .
Data sorting.
This is a project I'd like to take on some day, & could be applied to more of Wikipedia than just Ancient Egypt. Take one of the standard authorities of history or culture -- Herotodus, the Elder Pliny, the writings of Breasted or Kenneth Kitchen, & see if you can't smoothly merge quotations or information into relevant articles. Probably a good exercise for someone who owns one of those impressive texts, yet can't get access to a research library.
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This section is, naturally, uncited, and I thought I would avoid the hassle of asking for citations and simply delete it, but I guess I can't do that...so what shall we discuss? Can anyone provide any drawings of flying Jesus? Is Jesus Pontius' co-Pilate?
Adam Bishop22:54, 23 July 2007 (UTC)reply
That section is really just the butt of a joke I have heard:
Some children were asked by their Sunday school teacher to draw pictures of the Christ child and his parents' flight into Egypt. As the teacher was walking around the classroom viewing the works in progress, she noticed that little Johnny's drawing was of an airplane. Immediately assuming that Johnny was just playing around, she asked him, "What that's supposed to be?" He responded, "Why, that's Jesus and May and Joseph on the flight into Egypt waving out the window." Sure enough, there were three figures waving from the airliner's windows. The teacher, just to be clever, then asked, "Who's that?" pointing towards the man in the cockpit window. Not missing a beat, the child said, "That's Pontius Pilot."
It may be described humorously in a jokebook, but it is also a common real notable nuisance in school religion classes. For example, a school teacher at the village school at
Buxworth near
Whaley Bridge in England told me that they got an average of two aeroplanes a year when the time came for the children to make a drawing of the Flight to Egypt. Ask a few school religion teachers.
Anthony Appleyard05:14, 13 September 2007 (UTC)reply
Well, there are lots of possibilities here. Are the teachers pulling your leg? Why would kids be asked to draw that? Why would anyone be asked to draw that? Are the teachers trying to amuse themselves by seeing how many pictures of airplanes they can get? And if kids really are being asked to draw this, which I find bizarre, perhaps some of them are trying to be funny? Do you have anything better than "friend of a friend" evidence?
Adam Bishop06:53, 13 September 2007 (UTC)reply
NO! The teacher asks the pupils to draw the Flight to Egypt. The pupils should draw the Holy Family using some transport appropriate to the time, such as donkeys or a camel. But the inevitable quota of the pupils do not listen to the lesson properly but
daydream, and some of them misunderstand the word "flight" and draw an aeroplane. Ask some primary school teachers. This genuinely happens, at least here in England. This mistake may be a childish error, but then children are childish.
Anthony Appleyard08:34, 13 September 2007 (UTC)reply
And the children have never heard the story before and have never wondered what is meant by "flight", they are just asked to draw a picture of a random event that may or may not involve airplanes? Why?
Adam Bishop17:57, 13 September 2007 (UTC)reply
Well, the average elementary school teacher here in Ontario teaches in a secular school, so kids just wouldn't learn about this in the first place. We do have a Catholic school system, where I suppose it is more likely, although I went to a Catholic school and never had to do anything like this. I do remember being confused about Christ standing "before" Pilate - did he get up first, and Pilate stood up afterwards? But we didn't have to draw a picture of it!
Adam Bishop18:34, 13 September 2007 (UTC)reply
Here in Britain, often schoolchildren are asked in class to make drawings or paintings of major Christian religious events, including the Flight to Egypt. Usually they get the means of transport right, but from time to time not, as I describe above.
Anthony Appleyard20:04, 13 September 2007 (UTC)reply
Nonetheless, if this is based solely on personal experience in Britain and has no reliable source besides, it is non-notable.
Srnec21:51, 13 September 2007 (UTC)reply
All I have to say is that it was a good thing that Gaius Turranius was governor of Egypt at the time and not Donald Trump to any other Republican politician, or the Holy Family would have been turned away at the border of Egypt.
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China's "Silk Road": reasons for deleting
I removed the following: "Egypt was a logical place to find refuge, as it was outside the dominions of King Herod, and both Egypt and Judah were part of the
Roman Empire and were linked together by China's 2,500 year old ancient "silk road," This ancient road was historically known as China's "Silk Road." The very ancient China "Silk Road" consisted of a land and sea route. The sea route portion of China's ancient "Silk Road" was known as:
the way of the sea",[1] making travel between them easy and relatively safe."
I removed this both because it's original research and because it's wrong.
There are many problems with this deleted passage.
1) The silk road was not China's. It didn't belong to any country, city, or region, but rather passed through many. The deleted passage makes three misleading references to the Silk Road as being China's.
2) The term "Silk Road" is actually from the 19th century and was coined by a German scholar.
3) There was no single road, so the many references in this passage to "the silk road" are incorrect. In German, the term referred to "silk roads" in the plural, which is more accurate. This comment which I've deleted repeatedly talks of a singular route and thus exaggerates a) the consensus about the routes that can be called "Silk Road" and b) the extent to which it was something directed and controlled by China.
4) Few scholars include Mediterranean trade routes as part of the "Silk Road". Since this term was never used by those who traveled along these many paths, there's a lot of dispute about just what routes to include under the term of "Silk Road". Some, but not all, include branches that extend into South Asia (what are now Pakistan and India). Some include routes that extend into what are now Iran, Iraq, and ports on the Persian Gulf.
Interlingua14:19, 1 January 2017 (UTC)reply
References
^Von Hagen, Victor W. The Roads that Led to Rome published by Weidenfeld & Nicolson 1967. p. 106.
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Neither the "Return from Egypt" nor the "Prophecy of Hosea" have anything to do with the journey TO Egypt, but are more applicable to the "Return of the family of Jesus to Nazareth" article. "OUT of Egypt I called my son." I don't see it as helpful for the article to wander off on divergent subjects. For that matter the section on Nazarenes doesn't belong here either. It is, after all, about their travelling to Egypt, not Nazareth; and there is a separate article regarding the return. Apparently, not everyone agrees.
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