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SilverLocust (
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Action at Springfield →
First Battle of Springfield – Article was moved in 2019 w/o discussion under the basis that this is how the name appears in the Official Records of the Union and Confederate Armies in the War of the Rebellion, but the nomenclature hasn't been carried over into 20th and 21st century sources. For what it's worth, that ORs also refer to an number of other actions, including the
Second Battle of Springfield by names such as "Engagement at Springfield" or "Skirmish at Springfield", so I don't think this naming is entirely unambiguous. A skim of the relevant literature suggests that "First Battle of Springfield" or the variant "Springfield I" is in greater use than "Zagonyi's Charge", so I think First Battle of Springfield is the best possible title here.
Hog FarmTalk 01:34, 12 June 2023 (UTC) — Relisting.CLYDETALK TO ME/
STUFF DONE (please
mention me on reply) 01:52, 19 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Support
First battle of Springfield. I have done several searches (google, google scholar, google books, google ngram and JSTOR) for the different possible names. "Action at" and "battle of" have several referents but frequently are for the Revolutionary War. "First battle of Springfield" can also refer To Springfield NJ; however, there is no actual title conflict at WP, since the proposal is already a redirect here. My searches do not contradict the proposal except in respect to capitalisation. There is sufficient evidence from google books to indicate mixed capitalisation in prose for this battle. Per MOS:CAPS, in such a case, "first" and "battle" would be lowercase, subject to sentence case being applied to capitalise "first".
Cinderella157 (
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Support per nom. The current title is no disambiguation at all, as all battles are "actions".
Second Battle of Springfield is capitalised, as are all other First, Second, etc, Battles, so I see no reason to lowercase it. --
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"on a scout towards Springfield" "scouting mission"?
Rephased
"north at around dark" > "north when darkness fell"?
Have rephrased this. "At around dark" seems the most natural to me, but some searches on google for that exact string suggests that this is primarily a regional or colloquial use.
Why does the lede exclusively use "Federal" instead of "Union", as the infobox does?
So I've introduced this in the article as Federal (Union) now. Union is the traditional term, but Federal is starting to come into vogue now.
Worth mentioning in the Lede the connection between the MSG and CSA
done
"Frémont’s Body-Guard" this spelling of bodyguard is only used in the infobox
Based on the sources "Body Guard" without the hyphen is the historically accurate spelling, so I've switched over to that in the article
Don't need ranks in the infobox
Removed, although they'll be invariably added back by somebody reading the article in the future, as pretty much always happens when I remove them from infoboxen
Infobox reads as if the Prairie Scouts were a part of the bodyguard which I don't think was the case?
Should be a bit clearer now
"Praire Scouts" sp
Oops
You might want to fix the Operations to Control Missouri navbox; this battle isn't currently bolded out because it's a redirect
"Late on October 24, Zagonyi and the bodyguard" try not to begin sections with dates
Added another sentence in here to lead off
"the Federal ran into a small party" something missing here
Fixed
"swung his troops to a detour to approach Springfield from the west"
removed
Lede says Zagonyi's report was "at the expense of the Prairie Scouts" but main text only says "at the expense of other Federal soldiers"
Have made this a bit more consistent now
"has two companies charging with Zagonyi charging through a gap"
Done
Aftermath
Could give Johnston his rank, but it's post-war so not necessary
I don't think it's necessary, given that this is long postwar
Would it be appropriate to add some of these casualty figures to the infobox?
I don't know how helpful it would be, given the divergency among the sources. Anything from Zagonyi's report is suspect, and I personally doubt that Johnston would have any particular way of knowing much about this battle
References
References look good. AGF for print sources.
This provides some information about modern memorialisation of the battle
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Hog Farm: Passing this article as satisfying the GA criteria. My apologies for taking so long to get back to this!
Pickersgill-Cunliffe (
talk) 15:24, 21 August 2023 (UTC)reply