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Given the flat denials of Emma regarding plural marriage, how are we able to say with any certainty what Emma knew and didn't know? I guess the bottom line of my question is whether we should be hedging statements about what she knew. It of course implies serious character defect on Joseph's part (not that that is unusual) to say Emma knew nothing of plural marriage for 10 years. I just want to know we are stating the unbiased facts. Tom Haws 21:40, Feb 23, 2005 (UTC)
The article doesn't have much to do with facts. It is rumor and mistakes. If Emma wrote and said what she knew, shouldn't we regard that as fact instead of what the author is trying to make it appear to be?
Where are the fact relating to her presence at any such event? Where is this evidence? Apparently this is once again rumor.
These passages should be ironclad or hedged a bit: "Joseph had continued to practice plural marriage in secret, taking additional polygamous wives without Emma's knowledge. In Nauvoo, he began to privately teach other men in the church the doctrine." "It was also in Kirtland, however, the Emma's husband began to teach and practice the doctrine of "plural marriage"—although at this stage he kept all of these relationships secret from Emma." Tom Haws 23:26, Feb 23, 2005 (UTC)
Where again is the fact in this supposed knowledge? History says he did not practice polygamy and many writings, etc., point to the lack of evidence and the Mormon's even admit this is speculation rather than fact.
So basically what you're saying is, you have a secret way of knowing what a person who lived many years ago said in private. And that means that all of her statements, every single one of her statements and all the supporting documents are to be thrown out for a bunch of rumors. Interesting - I thought this was supposed to be about facts.
I believe from some of my own research (which should NOT be used as primary reference material) that Emma knew about most if not all of the marriages. However, like many in the early church made a covenant not to discuss it, and to deny it at all costs. It wasn't until 1852 that it was officially endorsed as a practice and doctrine of the LDS church, so until then (even though it was publicly known leaders practiced) it was vehemently denied. Even Young offered to marry Emma
I don't understand why placing Emma Smith under the categories of Joseph Smith's wives in insulting. She was his wife, and as you said the most important one. Also, removing a factual tag because it's "insulting" is POV. - FlyingToaster ( talk) 05:33, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
I reverted the most recent edit as it implied the RLDS as being a 'new organization' without allowing the facts to speak for themselves. The RLDS narrative is that they were a reorganization as opposed to a 'new' one. Best, A Sniper ( talk) 02:48, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Should there be some mention of the 2008 film: 'Emma Smith: My Story'; [official site: http://www.emmasmithmovie.com/] -- Perhaps in the External links section? ~Eric F 184.76.225.106 ( talk) 01:33, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
An editor has made a good faith edit claiming that the name of the church in 1838 was The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I have corrected this to point out that the name was Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and to mention in the edit summary that the church in Utah did not add 'The' to the name and being using 'Latter-day' until several years later. Best, A Sniper ( talk) 00:39, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Note 17 under the section on Polygamy references a page in an article on the Kinderhook plates. Surely this reference is incorrect? "Over the years, many RLDS Church historians attempted to prove that the practice had originated with Brigham Young.[17]" 17 = Journal of Mormon History, Spring 2005, Volume 31, p. 70.
http://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2383&context=facpub — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.121.59.118 ( talk) 21:03, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
I cleaned up the photo, that is several months old David Hyrum Smith born in November, citation added. I gave Emma a nationality in the introduction and made her ID independent from "the wife of ..." Plus, controversial or not, if Joseph Smith had multiple wives, Emma was his first. ~~~~ Fimbriata ( talk) 16:05, 11 August 2022 (UTC)