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I propose that the ' UK driving licence codes' article be merged into this article. The codes are for the licence, is there any good reason to keep them in a separate article? -- de Facto ( talk). 13:10, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
This is some what confusing. I have just phones the DVLA and there is no sepperate catagory of B (Automatic). A licence refereed to as an automatic licence is a category B licence with a restriction to automatic transmission cars. This explains why B (Automatic) is not listed as a category for European driving, see http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/vehicles/driving/validity/tourist_en.htm. This should be made more clear in the article. see also http://www.thehappybiker.co.uk/pdf-files/INF245%20Veh%20Categories%20on%20DLs.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.179.6.216 ( talk) 09:09, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
Neither here nor anywhere else seems to list endorsement codes and their meanings. Can anybody help with this ? 212.159.12.230 ( talk) 19:09, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
"but it is illegal - regardless of any licence - to drive on any common public land, such as moorland.[2]" - Moorland isn't necessarily public common land, and I don't see why you shouldn't be able to drive on privately-owned moorland with the owner's permission. Now I know the reference mentions moorland, but I suspect that it's badly-worded. Can someone clarify if this is true? The same thing applies to footpaths and bridleways (it must be legal to drive on a bridleway if you own it - there's one going through my parents' drive, and I presume it's legal for them to drive onto their drive!) Riedquat ( talk) 20:43, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
The operative word in the act is "common" which applies to "land, moorland or land of any other description, not being land forming part of a road" which is intended to refer to land belonging to the Crown to which the public have access. The purpose of the legislation is to protect any public who may be crossing such land from danger from motor vehicles which they would not reasonably expect to be using such land. The definition of "moorland" does include "unenclosed". The wording of an Act of Parliament is carefully considered, approved by both houses of parliament and therefore considered sacrosanct, so only the courts may interpret this. Of course, private land is exempt providing the public do not have access. The subsection referring to a "road" is defined elsewhere in the Act with reference to a "highway". Any "private bridleway" or private land is not, by definition, a "highway". I wouldn't worry about the bridleway going across a drive as the Act specifies exemptions including proximity to a road etc. If the meaning must be made more clear, feel free to add the word "public" or similar somewhere, but I feel the sentence reasonably describes the relevant section of the Act as is. It wouldn't be in the public interest to mislead readers into believing that it is acceptable to drive onto moorland willy nilly in the belief it may be private. -- Driverdude ( talk) 16:13, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
can i drive in uk? if ihave internationl licence (issu by indian gov.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daiwikgm ( talk • contribs) 08:08, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
Many of the heavier cat of vehicles, i.e. D, DE, C, CE have a driving age of 21. The exception being that: You can drive these vehicles at age 18 if one of the following apply:
Or 17 if you are in the armed forces. Maybe the article should be updated to reflect this? The above information can be confirmed on the Direct.Gov website and/or the DVLA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.219.142.192 ( talk) 19:43, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Would be nice to have:
Rich
Farmbrough, 10:55, 31 March 2011 (UTC).
There is a move discussion in progress which affects this page. Please participate at Talk:Driving licence in Australia#Requested move and not in this talk page section. Thank you. -- 202.28.181.200 ( talk) 02:32, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
Interesting point about her not needing a licence, but maybe a better source required. Also assuming she didn't need a licence perhaps she has (or had one anyway) for example perhaps she was issued one when she served in the Armed Forces during the war when she wasn't the Queen, especially given that she was in fact a motor mechanic by trade. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.153.119.73 ( talk) 00:45, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
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I'm only here from googling what categories L and M actually cover, as they're mentioned on the uk.gov site as still valid codes, but they don't go into any more detail than "electric vehicles" and "trolley vehicles" (with N being "vehicles exempt from registration" (taxation?) or something like that).
Now from what's written in the article, I expect L was for old style limited range low speed electric service vehicles like milk floats and the like, which were little more than horse carts with a traction motor, batteries and a steering wheel, designed for frequent stop start use to save a milkman or other such worker with a heavy load and a neighbourhood round from having to either push or pedal it all around, or use a horse, without producing much noise or exhaust. The license category therefore reflecting the low likelihood of a serious collision due to the low top speed (20mph downhill if you're lucky), minimal road miles (a route might be 15 miles all up including the run to and from the depot) and flimsy construction, as well as the fairly minimal instruction and testing needed to get the license itself...
That's all conjecture however, so it'd be nice if there were even just a few words to confirm or deny.
As for trolley vehicles... Are we talking trams/streetcars/metros, trolleybuses, or something else entirely? Surely their operators still need some kind of license, unless the likely railway operator licence is deemed to act as superior to a road vehicle one even though the tram might spend a lot of time sharing roadway space with other vehicles? It's not even on this list at all, it jumps straight from L to N...
Any help here?
PS the towing categories are a little out of date I think? Hasn't B+E now been superceded by BE which is slightly more restrictive (ie trailer weight now limited to 3.5t instead of being unlimited, which was a bit of a dangerous loophole to be honest, albeit one that was fairly irrelevant as it's unlikely there are many sub 3.5t vehicles or tractor units rated for towing anything more than their own weight, or even 85% of it)?? 46.208.118.176 ( talk) 01:06, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
The statement that "Competency tests were introduced in 1934 by the Motor Vehicles Regulations 1935" cannot be true. Can someone correct the years? - BobKilcoyne ( talk) 04:54, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
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Information about spelling, removed from the article for reasons stated in this edit summary, but probably useful as guidance to editors.
Some confusion surrounds the British spelling of licence, which is derived from the Latin licentia, and the associated variations thereof. Licence is the only acceptable spelling of the document (noun), but verbal forms of the word are spelled with an "s". Licensed is used for the state of holding a licence, licensing is the correct form for the process of issuing or obtaining a licence, and licensee for a person holding a licence [1] (although 'driving licence holder' is the term generally used in this context). [2] In the American orthography, all variants are of the c and subsequent s form.
-- Money money tickle parsnip ( talk) 02:56, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
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The UK goverement has published the new design for the UK driving license.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-style-driving-licences-and-number-plates-mark-one-year-anniversary-of-brexit-as-eu-flag-is-removed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roof674975 ( talk • contribs) 13:34, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
Are electric cars categorised as "automatic" for the driving licence categories ? There is no mention of this important point, and I have search the linked government website, but cannot find any information. Darkman101 ( talk) 00:37, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
Yes. I would say they would be since there is no clutch pedal. Slender ( talk) 09:42, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
“which increases by 1 for each licence issued”
may be true but is incomplete. My current paper licence valid from 1976 when my last local authority licence expired but issued when I last changed address in 1987 does not have an issue number on it. It will be my second DVLA issue, the first being in 1976. I probably had three local authority issued licences before then.
The online version says “Licence issue number 92”. Why 92? It could be that 9 indicates that I had a local authority licence before DVLA and 2 that my current licence is the second DVLA issue – but I’m only guessing. It could equally be that the 9 just indicates that I have an old paper licence.
Googling this only lead to several forums with other people asking this question. [2] [3] [4] 84.67.166.203 ( talk) 16:11, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
DVLA Document INS57P ( https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1087046/ins57p-information-on-driving-licences.pdf) states "This is the licence issue number which will increase by one with every licence issued." However this does not explain why my licence has an issue number of 31. I definitely have not had 30 previous licences. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.15.133.130 ( talk) 10:07, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
As the article makes clear later on, renewal is only required at age 70. 146.199.98.92 ( talk) 18:54, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
This article is not about [a single] driving licence, but about driving licences in the plural, so it should be renamed. Do editors have any preference about whether Driving licences in the United Kingdom or Driving licensing in the United Kingdom would be their preferred article title? BobKilcoyne ( talk) 13:44, 7 September 2023 (UTC)