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This article was formerly listed as a good article, but was removed from the listing because the article is poorly organized and has 18 sections, many of which are not substantial. Brennsto 17:11, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Thank you to everybody who put this whole article together. The song list and all are really amazing and helpful for someone who doesn't know a lot about this style and era and wants to find out about it. I can really dig deeper into disco now that I've had some serious background info. There must have been some pop music scientists and real lovers of music at work here! Julian
Would it be blasphemy to suggest that disco also owes a lot to the so-called "easy listening" music that was popular before and alongside it?
Yes, please. :-) Koyaanis Qatsi, Saturday, July 6, 2002
It was a Wah-Wah pedal.
It is a Wah Wah, an effect box that was prominently introduced to rock music by Jimi Hendrix in the second half of the 60ies. See: Voodoo Chile (Slight Return) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.112.165.199 ( talk) 23:54, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
The article stated that:
However, in the opinion of Jones and Kantonen (1999), Le Club was the first disco (in New York) in 1960. Hyacinth 21:09, 24 May 2004 (UTC)
I removed the above sentence because:
However, I wish to note that I created much of the edited content, and the sentence above was added as a reaction to my POV. As such the article is better off than before. What do you think User:64.73.98.126?
Hyacinth 21:35, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I think the article could do with some input from a European perspective. Northern Soul was a progenitor but "discos" were popular throughout the 70s in all of Europe. Another factor which must have had a lot to do with disco's popularity was that it was usually the music played when young people went abroad, many for the first time during that period. The holiday resorts were full of US and Euro disco, and on returning home the same tracks were bought and played. The same phenomenon with "clubbing" holidays continues to this day. Also, I seem to recall that there were a number of US artistes who only got their break when they came to the UK and got airplay there, which was subsequently rexported to the US. BUt I'm no expert so I'm not qualified to add stuff myself. But at present article is a bit US-centric. Graham 05:05, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)
You guys/gals: I like this article quite a lot for the content that's in it, but if you would like to add more European content, great! Why don't you just do it? You'll probably want to look at the "Italo Disco" article if you haven't already, so as to make decisions about what should be integrated into this article, left there, or whether to propose that perhaps that article should be merged into this one and made into a separate (series of) section(s) instead of a separate article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italo_disco By the way, I'd tend to argue in favor of putting a chunk of highlights here, linking to that article, and leaving it separate. Michael 09:42, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
I cannot find it on any website, the show doesn't exist, neither does the cartoon or even the character exist in the 1970s TV shows. I know he must be there on the internet, but not much turns up of him or his show.
22 Sep 2004 (CST)
User 7:58 (Cst)
Looks like these three big TV networks are denying they carried the show in the 1970's, or do not remember airing the show. The Wikipedia article on ABC, CBS and NBC didn't all have the title, listed. and I also looked through a list of other TV networks, nothing turned up in their schedule. But, I will still find the title.
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Could you please add a bit more info to the infobox? I am not much into disco. I simply added one because other genres have it. Andros 1337 22:34, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)
The colors in the info box hurt me. -- ZekeMacNeil 23:36, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
I second that emotion. Wahkeenah 23:44, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
Quote:
"At the time, Gay Americans were just beginning to celebrate their identity instead of having to hide in shame, and nightclubs frequented by largely Gay crowds could, at last, operate in the open."
Note capitalization of "Gay," "celebrate their identity," "hiding in shame," "nightclubs frequented by largely gay crowds could, at last, operate in the open."
The way these statements in the article are written shows opinionated writing directed at those who don't support homosexual lifestyles and some who may have (or do) oppressed gays for whatever reasons they may have (had). Despite any opinions I or others might have for or against homosexual lifestyles and habits, the article, as with the rest of Wikimedia, remain completely unopinionated.
I recommend checking out some of the comments in a recent Salon letters about an article on disco [1]. This seemed to be quite insightful about the backlash. -- LGagnon 20:49, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
I really like the listing of the non-disco artists and delved into Disco, but I'd like to know what Eagles song is considered to be Disco to be considered in this category? I'm thinking either The Disco Strangler, but that some really doesn't have much of a beat. One Of These Nights could be considered as well, but that was a little pre-disco, although it has the beat.
I agree that "One of the These Nights" is the closest approach to disco, but I think not close enough. Someone should remove them from the list.
--Albalb 23:03, 14 June 2006
I think this article uses the definition of disco to refer to a style of music too much. Gays are also mentioned too early in the article, as disco music is enjoyed by many. I agree with the above comment entitled "Europe". Maybe this is a US-based definiton, but certainly in the UK a disco / discotheque is a place that you go to dance to music, as well as disco being a style of music (if not more so the former, however terms such as "clubbing" are also popular at present).
I have started a section in this article about radio play of disco music. It also is for anyone who is listing radio shows or stations that play a good amount of this music.
Also, we need some information about disco on the radio in its heyday and nowadays in all countries, especially US, UK, Europe, Australia, New Zealand. -- SimonMackay 09:24, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
It was on " VH1", they did not mention the "bogus" cartoon series in 1974, no one have heard of it. Oh well, check the facts.
We will need to add some reference to disco in Australia and New Zealand. We will need to know the reaction to disco in this country such as radio and TV shows that had it as a theme, the "gay disco" mindset through the area where it is associated with the Australian gay scene, the mid-90s "disco revival" with "Priscilla, Queen Of The Desert", as well as local disco talent. It is also worth knowing how Australian radio reacted to disco - whether it was caught up in the "rock vs disco" war or not.
As far as disco on TV is concerned, it may be worth getting further info about a disco-dancing competition that was hosted on [[ABC-TV]'s "Countdown" during 1978.
-- SimonMackay 09:47, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Is anyone here hip enough to write about the obvious disco = dancepunk sentiment?
Try Dancepunk. Secret london 10:01, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
I have removed the sentence about how house music is a "natural progression" of disco, because it is neither sourced nor attributed. Unless you can provide a source for this information, or unless you can provide a quote to that effect, please do not restore that sentence. - jredmond 18:21, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
You guys, many people, including the house pioneers (Larry Levan, etc.), consider house/garage just to be contemporary or updated disco. Several people point to Donna Summer's seminal "I Feel Love" as the first house music record. This was one of the factors in which the voters had the song placed on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Rock Songs ( Musicluv 03:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I removed it. It is not appropriate here. While Abba had a few disco hits, they were hardly definitively disco artistes, and the inclusion of the image here seems to be simply because someone wanted to add something and this was the best they could come up with. Please stay focused on what the article is about, and don't add cruft for the sake of it. Graham 00:45, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
The Radio section seems to be US specific - eg Kiss 100 in the UK. Also generally disco doesn't equal dance music. Disco is a type of dance music. Secret london 10:05, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
I dispute the fact that ABBA were even disco at all. Disco was a serious form of music. ABBA were not. They were not proper Disco at all. The lack of inclusion of Larry Levan is also quite appaling here. It seems that the people who have writen this article know very little about proper disco at all.
It's one of those debates again. Surely some of their songs were disco-influenced to say at least. Some people back then considered some of their songs disco while others didn't. IMO, I think something like "Gimme" can pass as disco or even the R&B-poppish "Dancing Queen." Again, it's the same issue with funk songs (e.g. James Brown's "Get Up Offa That Thing") and even songs from Kraftwerk ("Trans-Europe Express").-- Musicluv 03:31, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
It is that perception thing again. In the 70's ABBA were considered pop/bubblegum. But today there is not to many disco revival nights,compilations etc where "Dancing Queen" is not among the most popular songs. As far as disco being a serious form of music my perception is that in part disco was a reaction against the serious progressive rock(Genisis,Emerson Lake and Palmer etc) of the era 02:40, 8 August 2006 (Ed Kollin)
Sure ABBA were a pop group...as were the Bee Gees .. and both are closely linked to Disco in the public imagination, for good reason. ABBA had numerous hits on the disco and dance charts in the US and Europe in the late 70s and until 1981. They tailored tracks (and one whole album) to the disco scene and released 'Lay All Your Love On Me' on 12 inch only...unheard of at the time for a mainstream act. Any attempt to write them out of the disco picture should be resisted as pure revisionism. Vauxhall1964 ( talk) 21:44, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
Ones discotheque located at 111 Hudson Street, NY, NY was around from the early-'70s to 1982. It had a great run. The owners also owned the Celebrity Club in Harlem on 125th Street for a period of time. The club was very well-known for the celebrities who patronized the place in the early-'70s. One was only opened on Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday. Tuesday was famous for Reggae night where Bob Marley and other popular groups played.
Every Saturday afternoon, Ones hosted "Disco Tot," the first-ever disco for children and their parents. Parents brought their children to dance and eat hot dogs, sit at the bar, and dance under the neon lights!
As far as popularity goes, Ones was voted by Vogue magazine as one of the top 10 discos in the world. Ones frequently swapped customers in the downtown club scene between Area, the Garage, the Loft, and Bonds a bit further uptown.
Ones manufactured all its own neon lights in the basement of the club. Ones owned Celebrity Club on 125th street for a period of time. Ones had one of longest freestanding wooden bars in the city at over 90ft. Ones owned Annie Oakleys resturant on the East Side. Ones won many legal battles over the tenants of the building, who tried to get the club closed. Ones was there before lofts became trendy. Ones had a disco taxi; do you remember it red with sliver glittered letters?
In its later years, many famous acts played at Ones: Madonna, Fat Boys, Sugar Hill Gang, Stephanie Mills, Tito Puente, and Bob Marley all appeared at Ones. Hector Camacho used to frequent the club in its later years, too.
The club had a good long run throught the height of the disco era. Last time I checked, the location where Ones was is now a food market.-- Markz29 02:41, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
There is also an album by the Pet Shop Boys, called Disco: Disco (album)
Just remembering the changes of music through the 80's, and discussing it with people I know (and also listening to cable's "Music Choice Showcase" channel "Classic Disco" program lately), I felt the article would be improved with a more detailed account of the progression of how synthesizers changed the genre. Also, noticeable, but seemingly not recognized is the distinction between the more "mainstream" 'white' disco style, and the more "street" 'black' disco style. As I've pointed out, the more mainstream style was rooted in more standard musical production techniques, while the more black style was more rooted in black music. These both for the most part evolved in different directions as the music changed, and this helps understand just what happened to "disco" in the 80's. (Especially, since I see there was a dispute regarding how "house" music" came out of disco).
I hope adding "black" and "white" "race" language poses no problem. But for lack of better terminology, those were the unofficial "strains" of disco music. In fact, I read on one account of the "death of disco" that there was even a black negative sentiment against certain aspects of disco (such as the effeminacy, as well as the more "European" style musical principles of mainstream disco), at the same time as rock's anti-disco sentiment!
But clearly, the progression was gradual but definite, as synthesizers were added to the music. It was like the old illustration of the frog in the pot of water set to boil. You didn't notice or think much of it at first, but then eventually, you look up, and realize that this is no longer "disco' you are dancing to anymore.
I also think the anti-disco movement is (rather triumphalistically) taking a bit too much credit for their "Disco Demolition Night" and "Disco Sucks" statements ending disco. It may have helped end the mainstream elements, such as the style of clothing and other effeminate aspects of it. But then that too largely burned itself out with the drugs and spread of AIDS, as we saw in documentaries like "The Last Days of Disco". And there WAS a large racist sentiment to it as well. In my high school experience, the same kids wishing death to disco were the same ones telling blacks "Go To Atanta!" in 1981 when black kids were disappearing there. I remember one walked around once singing under his breath "unga bunga unga bunga, N----- music!" I see that it being claimed that it was the Punk movememnt that waged the war on disco, but the kids I witnessed saw even "punk" or "new wave" as too close to black music! (after all, you had Queen's "Another One Bites the Dust", and even Pink Floyd's "Another Brick in the Wall" and Devo had sounds I found listenable, meaning they were more rhythmic like black music, rather than just blaring metal). These kids were more into the "hard" rock like KISS (before that "disco" song they did), Led Zeppelin, Van Halen, earlier Pink Floyd, etc. But clearly, it was the change of music production techniques that changed the style. Eric B 19:21, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
I removed the Template:limitedgeographicscope as there is no discussion of how on this talk page. Hyacinth 13:57, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
How is the article limited in geographic scope? Hyacinth 08:39, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
That was a great restructuring of the material I added. I was basically trying to bring out some little known details about the differences in the styles and the gradual change in the early 80's. I apologize if it came across as "nonfactual information and personal, biased definitions", but it was kind of hard to articulate exactly what I was trying to say. I even edited several times to try to clarify and improve it. Your breaking it down into "regional" styles basically covers my points (which I genralized as a "black" and "white" or "street" and "mainstream" style, for lack of etter terminology, again). It is obvious that the "disco" of Chic is different from the "disco" of the Bee Gees, and that was what I was trying to convey. I had intended for people to take the points I had made and improve upon them. I do wonder what exactly you considered to be "illogicalities and contradictions", though.
I did put back a few of my original points. For instance, you focus almost entirely on orchestration as making the difference between the 70's and early 80's, and while that was a big part of it, it ignores the slight chordal changes which changed the sound even more. Some 70's songs did not have orchestration, but still sound like disco, while some 80's songs did have orchestration, but still sounded different, so it is more than just that. So it seems to me a triple effect: less orchestration, synthesized bass and other sounds, and more jazzy or bluesy chords. Even though this may not be something widely acknowledged, I think if one listens to the songs from that period, they would see it is not just a "biased nonfactual definition". It's about the sound.
Some highlights of what I added, with explanations:
Much of this was influenced by some of the great R & B and jazz musicians of the 70's, such as Stevie Wonder and Herbie Hancock. This further changed the overall sound
The fact that these artists (and others like them, who were not "disco") greatly influenced the 80's is wellknown.
but by this time, the word "disco" became associated with anything danceable, that played in discothèques, so the music continued for a time to be called "disco" by many.
I was addressing the fact that people then and today, consider the 80's tracks in question "disco" (you can look at any online "disco record" list, including the one you linked to), even though, as I had said earlier, these songs "were about as different from the disco of the 70's as the "pre-disco" songs mentioned above were".
Also, the connection between Planet Rock and the later House/techno is also a well accepted point. So that should be left in as well. If it can be worded better, then improve it, or even mention that it is disputable if you think so, but it should be mentioned.
Eric B 03:54, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
While stuff is being deleted as "nonpertinent and nonacademic", more and more material is being added about orchestration. (it occupies a sizeable chunk of the page now, and the page is starting to get too big). See also bold point in above post, regarding the inconsistency of making the difference orchestration only. I'll have to find some examples when I get a chance. Eric B 03:14, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
I removed Template:contradict as there is no discussion on this talk page. How does the section Disco#Popular disco artists contradict itself or another section? Hyacinth 08:39, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
As a doctor, medical researcher, and educator in the fields of neuroscience, specializing in the brain, nutrition, endocrinology, linguistics, and mathematics, I approach the analysis of music in the same manner as I do in all of the aforementioned disciplines.
The reason why such a great emphasis is placed on the orchestration of disco is because disco is predicated on orchestration, that is, not just orchestration of the elements of the symphony orchestra, but orchestration of all the elements of the production, which is why the engineers played such a paramount role in the production process, whose ear for music composition and continuity imbued each production with its artistic integrity. So, as most precepts do have exceptions, as in there existing just some disco productions lacking in orchestration, the preeminent, predominant wealth of disco material, just by virtue of its birth and development, is symphony-orchestrated.
We can see that, as the swing era of the 1930s was spawned by the jazz era of the 1920s, with swing an uptempo, danceable, orchestrated form of jazz, the disco era of the 1970s grew from the world beat of the 1960s. And, as such, as swing is a form of dance music, so, too, disco is a form of dance music; but, as dance music of the big-band era of the 1940s is not swing, so, too, dance music of the 1980s is not disco, whatever one considers. So, as one can find a swing song that is not orchestrated in the typical swing manner, one can find a disco song that is not orchestrated in the typical disco manner, but orchestrated nonetheless. Therefore, a musical production sung by two black women over a danceable beat does not a disco song make, as in The Weather Girls' It's Raining Men, whatever one considers it to be, or be like. As with the example of Patrice Rushen on the Disco page, one should analyze the work of a couple of years earlier by Martha Wash and Izora Rhodes (in the '80s, The Weather Girls) as background to Sylvester's Can't Stop Dancing (1979), arranged, produced, and conducted by Harvey Fuqua and Sylvester, with specific sectional stylings of Nathin Rubin, concertmaster of the San Francisco Symphony Orchestra, wherein, their vocals build, break, and interweave through the song, sometimes as lead, sometimes as background, in harmonious interplay with all the other elements of the song as if a section of the orchestra itself. In contrast, however, like Patrice Rushen's Forget-Me-Nots, It's Raining Men is a diluted marasmus of a melody that with neither orchestration nor intricate composition is closer to gospel and R&B than anything else. Further, there is a vast difference between disco, the music genre, which, like swing, is highly specific, and disco, the category in music catalogs and record stores, which use disco as a generic term for dance-club music, of which writers on the subject of disco SHOULD be knowledgeable, as with ALL the information on which I am writing.
The disheartening element in many discussions of disco is the filtering of the whole disco movement and its artistic and intellectual energy down to various groups such as The Bee Gees and ABBA, which were never disco groups but R&B and pop, respectively. It is the case that the Gibb Brothers themselves were surprised at the success of numerous productions of theirs on the disco charts, for their songs - Night Fever, Stayin' Alive, You Should Be Dancing - are R&B. Although many of their productions were arranged, produced, and orchestrated by Maurice Gibb and Barry Gibb, together with Albhy Galuten and Karl Richardson, with the specific stylings of concertmaster Sid Sharp of the Los Angeles Symphony Orchestra, they were not necessarily disco just by virtue of their being a product of the 1970s, and danceable. The same situation occurred with Alicia Bridges when I Love the Nightlife hit the disco charts, who was also "surprised." Further, a wanton slap in the face is the effect of discussing such groups and individuals in the presence of the wealth of artists, arrangers, producers, orchestra conductors, concertmasters, orchestra players some of whose names are here and here and here and here and here and here, right in the very pages of Wikipedia for public display, in whose talented hands were held the pens responsible for the melodic masterpieces of borne of history's most artistic and intellectual timeperiod.
Further, many artists and producers of other genres saw their opportunity to cash in on the success of disco. Yet, it just must be accepted that many people do not possess the intellectual acuity to undertake such monumental tasks as composing the massive orchestrations for the distinct sections of the symphony orchestra and tailoring musical theory around exciting listeners and dancers with multiple bridges and refrains woven together within a fantastic philharmonic fabric. As a result, there were many endeavors that were disco-influenced, as in The Rolling Stones, The Grateful Dead, etc., but not disco, whatever one considers them to be. As a result, many forms emerged: disco-influenced rock, disco-influenced-R&B, disco-influenced soul, disco-influenced country. It can be demonstrated through innumerable examples throughout history that what one CONSIDERS to be the case is not necessarily the same as what IS the case. For example, it was discovered several years ago that each taste bud on the human tongue possesses many sensory areas with the capability of detecting - at this point, still - an uncountable number of different taste sensations. However, in many schools throughout the U.S., the former interpretation on the study of the tongue is still being taught - that the human tongue contains four distinct regions for detecting "the four different taste sensations - sweet, salty, sour, bitter," with educators still using textbooks containing such material, all because some consider - ERRONEOUSLY - the human tongue to have only four - and isolated - areas for distinguishing taste sensations. And, not very long ago, for thousands of years, sickness and disease were considered to be a result of the wrath of the gods, to whom a cure was beseeched through scores of citizens who gave up their still-beating hearts on the sacrificial altar, until micro-organisms like bacteria, viruses, and protozoa were discovered. And how many people were beheaded as heretics for opposing the people that considered the earth to be flat, and that the universe revolves around Earth.
And, as it is not just a beat, it is not just orchestration that presupposes a disco song; and therein lies the beauty of the 1970s, for every genre of music was blessed with the newfound talent of educated musicians who contracted their local symphony and philharmonic orchestras: One only need confer the tens of thousands of music releases in the genres of rock, country, and soul groups of the 1970s to aver the claim. The magnanimous phenomenon of the 1970s is that this educated perspective occurred on all fronts, and within all the arts. Remember that, during the several years before the 1970s, American adults were entertained by witches, genies, a martian, a flying nun, and a man whose mother was a car. Something monumental occurred at the threshold between the 1960s and the 1970s, as if endowing humanity with a knowledge not even imagined beforehand. A subject for great philosophical discussion is one centered on the theories concerning the events that jolted the American intellect from being entertained by Hogan's Heros in the 1960s to even understanding - never mind embracing - M*A*S*H of the 1970s, and, in like manner, from Get Smart in the 1960s to Columbo in the 1970s, from Petticoat Junction in the 1960s to The Mary Tyler Moore Show in the 1970s, from Green Acres in the 1960s to Maude in the 1970s; and the list goes on and on. And, by parallel, the same intellectual realism and artistic blossoming occurred in film, which, in the 1960s, was a hideous embarrassment of clown makeup and clothing and hairstyles, with cartoon colors and intellect-bereft scripts, which gave way to an intellectual realism and artistic blossoming during the 1970s, as in The Godfather, Kramer vs. Kramer, Rocky, Star Wars, The Black Stallion, which could not even have been conceived through the stultified mood of the 1950s and 1960s.
So it has become imperative for me to illustrate for people the whys and hows along with the details of the great intellectual and cultural movement that occurred during the 1970s. With disco at the forefront, the 1970s not only brought the world's symphony and philharmonic orchestras back into the mainstream of popular culture for the first time in three decades but also enabled for the first time in the entire fashion industry clothing designers around the world - Fiorucci, Ives St. Laurent, Gucci, to name a few - showcase their talents in palatially-designed dancehalls, where the world's youth - imagine, aspiring to be adults - also for the first time in three decades actually dressed up in tuxedos and silk gowns to be inspired by highly-orchestrated designer music, which in turn inspired them, yes, to play instruments and to conduct symphony orchestras - in their twenties, no less. Imagine a time that was able to transform lowly dungarees into designer jeans: Sergio Valente, Pierre Cardin, Jordache, Sasson, Calvin Klein, etc.
Within Wikipedia, we have opportunity to educate those that want to know on the history of disco - any topic, for that matter - without emotional tainting, and with a strict adherence to the facts, with academic delivery, the very things that are not only lacking but, many times, absent in "encyclopedias." The decade of the 1970s is not yet even 30 years old; and, yet, if there exist people that can actually regard a whole decade - with its treasure-trove of tens of thousands of symphony-orchestrated musical masterpieces - as a time epitomized by The Bee Gees, ABBA, and the Village People, we have some serious educating to perform, a task that I do not take lightly, which is the reason for the great investment of time that I have devoted to the various topics of Wikipedia, down to this talk item.
Of equal importance, moreover, is the discussion centered on how tens of thousands of symphony-orchestrated melodic masterpieces were able to be wiped clean from the memory of mainstream culture, leaving The Bee Gees, ABBA, and The Village People as the fossils in the archaeological remains of a timeperiod less than 30 years old. Drphilharmonic 15:21, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
The page entitled "Disco Orchestrations" is a nice addition to the "Disco" page, and one that will be valuable to readers engaged in the topic of disco. I would like to thank contributors KAB and Eric B for their efforts in working toward this solution. It is unfortunate that so much hostility was exchanged among people whose passion is a love of something, in this case music. I am a social scientist who has been an editorial and content contributor to many encyclopedias and publications, as well as Wikipedia, not only in music, including classical, but in many topics in the social and political arenas for many years. It is a bit hurtful to be labeled as someone else simply because of similar "styles." Let us continue to "orchestrate" our work in a "harmonious" manner so that readers are impressed by our "symphony" of knowledge. Pol-Sci-Prof 17:09, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
What is the difference between both classical and --- disco? -- 65.54.154.151 07:06, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
There are several things wrong about the doc's article.
"the disco era of the 1970s grew from the world beat of the 1960s."
First of all, the disco era grew from the discotheques of the 60s, from Motown, from soul, etc. Dance crazes such as the twist launched by rock legend Chubby Checker (who covered it from rock legend Hank Ballard) were more significant than whatever you call "world beat". Funk music alone squashes "world beat".
""The disheartening element in many discussions of disco is the filtering of the whole disco movement and its artistic and intellectual energy down to various groups such as The Bee Gees and ABBA, which were never disco groups but R&B and pop, respectively."""
The Bee Gees did disco, R&B, pop, rock...Your point? "You Should Be..." and "Night Fever...." ARE disco songs, and I'm pretty sure they'd tell you that themselves (obviously, have you checked Saturday Night Fever?)
"""As a result, there were many endeavors that were disco-influenced, as in The Rolling Stones, The Grateful Dead, etc., but not disco, whatever one considers them to be. As a result, many forms emerged: disco-influenced rock, disco-influenced-R&B, disco-influenced soul, disco-influenced country."""
They did disco songs, and they will tell you themselves. I guess we should start labeling every Motown record "soul-influenced pop" or every rock genre that came from the 50s "50s-influenced rock", "Chuck Berry-Elvis-Little Richard influenced rock".
There was orchestration being used in Philadelphia Soul which played a tremendous role in the shaping of disco (ever hear of the Delfonics in the late 60s?) Gamble and Huff are seminal producers, noted in the rock n roll hall of fame. Some of the first disco songs came from these "little symphonies", "Phil Spector-influenced" music.
Many point to the syncopated "Soul Makossa" as the first disco record.
Disco did not "die" in the 80s. It's last great year was around 1983, just as New Wave and electro exploded and peaked. Even Italo-Disco peaked that year which was born in the late 70s.
Disco's influence is tremendous musically and culturally - from virtually any dance genre to come out ever since.-- Musicluv 03:15, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I disagree strongly with articles contention that the Disco Era began with the release of Saturday Night Fever in 1977 and mildly with the contention it ended in 1980. I believe the Disco Era began in the Summer of 1974 when both Hughes Corporation‘s “Rock the Boat” hit number one on the charts followed by George McRae’s “Rock Your Baby”. A good case could be made that it began a year later with the release of “The Hustle”. After that song the term “disco” came into popular use. Of course Saturday Night Fever took things to a whole new level. Kudos to the article for mentioning Frank Zappa’s “Dancing Fool” in the discussion of the backlash. Most articles stop at “Disco Demolition Night”. It was the combination of “Dancing Fool” staying at #1 for 4 weeks in May 1979 and the Disco Demolition Night in July that played a major part in ending the popularity of this genre of music. The article is correct in that disco music was in the occasionally in the charts until 1980. However before “Disco Demolition Night” the genre dominated the charts. Immediately after only a minority of songs in the charts were disco. 5:00, March 9 2006
A couple of points here. The article does not show how in disrepute disco was in this period. Nobody would dare use the word. The emergence of AIDS seemed to confirm how evil the disco lifestyle was. New Wave music at the peak of it’s popularity was the opposite of disco in many ways both musically and fashion wise. A big New Wave hit at the time was Billy Idol’s “Dancing with myself “. Its meaning was misinterpreted at the time in two different ways. Due to the nature of the video many thought it was about being a lone survivor after a nuclear holocaust. Others thought of it as a statement of punk individuality. A few years ago Idol in an interview I read said the song was about the demise of the disco scene something that might have been career suicide to reveal at the time. The other point is the article does not mention how important the music for the movie “Flashdance” was in the transition from disco to “dance” music. Many of the songs from the movie were big hits. Songs like “Maniac” speeded up the disco beat to take into account New Wave and took all those strings out. And if you think about it “Flashdance” and “Saturday Night Fever” are basically the same movie. 5:50, 9 March 2006 (EK)
I think it would be wise to note that house and techno are not the same thing. Techno came along a couple years after house music (originally was called "the new dance sound of detroit") and is much more stripped down and minimal. Neither are subgenres of one another. They stand as separate but closely related entities. Both took influence from disco, and that needs to be understood, but the section covering this doesn't do it justice. Planet Rock, for the most part, influenced hip hop and electro, not house music. House music requires a four-on-the-floor rhythm - Planet Rock's drum line was a breakbeat.
The last paragraph of the Rock vs Disco section has many problems with it. The explanation that white working class males have a dislike of dancing is just not backed up by history. This population group was the backbone of the punk based “pogoing” in late 1970’s London, Slam dancing in early 1980’s U.S.A. and in moshpits everywhere since the early 1990’s. An element of disco music that did appeal to females more then younger males was the Disc Jockeys technique of a slow buildup to a musical climax. The article makes judgments without facts that the organizers of the “Disco Demolition Night” were gay baiting and got in over there heads. This may or may not have been true. Quoting from an ESPN.COM article marking the 25th anniversary of the event [2] The worst thing is people calling Disco Demolition homophobic or racist," says Dahl. "It just wasn't. It's really easy to look at it historically, from this perspective, and attach all those things to it. But we weren't thinking like that." . 3:56, 26 March 2006 (EK)
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_%28music%29#Proto-history:_from_disco_to_house:_late_1960s_to_early_1980s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techno_music#Origins
And, if you can glean the NPOV information out of this ultra-POV site; http://www.di.fm/edmguide
Just trying to raise an important point here. Kobresia 03:59, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Disco is a part of rock as much as funk, punk, metal, doo wop, and prog are. Don't forget rock n roll's roots, how Alan Freed supplanted rhythm and blues with the term to eradicate the stigma attached to it and for the music to gain mass acceptance (i.e. white mainstream America). That's the essential foundation of rock - to be progessive. Don't sit here and tell me prog and folk-rock (i.e. half rock) are rock but something like disco isn't. This is well noted by countless rock historians such as Dave Marsh and Robert Palmer, from Rolling Stone to the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame.-- Musicluv 03:34, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Ed, it is not about "perception"; it is what it is. Disco is a subgenre of rock with primary influence from soul and funk music which they themselves came from rhythm and blues/rock. Disco is more like uptempo soul or pop funk, whichever way you want to look at it, although such simple terms will be targeted (what genre label isn't?). Disco's real strong roots lie in the twist crazes of the early 60s spearheaded by Chubby Checker. Discotheques played soul records like Motown, records by Joey Dee & the Starliters, the Archies, Martha & The Vandellas, and even psychedelic funk such as Sly & The Family Stone's seminal "Dance To the Music" as well as other rock dance crazes. And yes, I'm very well aware of classical electronic music. The reason why there was an anti-disco backlash is the result of a number of factors including racism against gays and blacks, the saturation of disco singles on radio and in the market, etc. It is a complex issue. If you look back at articles during that time period, especially from Rolling Stone magazine, those factors are clearly highlighted. The Disco Demilition Night crowd and its DJ are mostly ignorants, straight up, but that is a different story. Most of them didn't even know what rock n roll is, nor its roots. But to be fair, some funk enthusiasts and others from the black community have vilified the genre as well. -- Musicluv 03:15, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Ed, you are reading "too much" into the matter and missing the point. Disco is a part of rock. Rock n roll is a marketing term to replace the stigma associated with rhythm and blues, and this is where rock and all of its genres splinter from, among other various sources such as pure blues, jazz, etc. Regarding the Disco Demolition crowd, it is a complex issue that involves one or more of the factors highlighted above, among other things. I didn't say they were all racist or stupid or this or that; it is a complex issue that can be broken down. And as much as I hate to say it, rock is a business, not an "art".
Here are some great articles that will enhance this topic:
-- Musicluv 19:25, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Ed, most people think rock n roll started with Elvis. Does that make them right?-- Musicluv 22:53, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
The induction of Grand Master Flash and the Furious Five to the rock and roll hall of fame may over time make my argument a moot point in that Rap and the Disco might be popularly seen as sub-genres of rock Edkollin 19:58, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
It would probably be a good idea if this article had a section on funk music in relation to disco. Funk music played a tremendous role on shaping disco music, from James Brown to Sly to Parliament-Funkadelic, etc. Do remember that many funk artists became hybrid funk-disco acts (e.g. Brass Construction). Also, the serious funk aficionados will tell you that these songs are really funk more than disco:
Also interesting is "Trans-Europe Express" by Kraftwerk that was played in disco clubs and actually placed in the Top 10 playlists in several US cities.
-- Musicluv 03:27, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Some DJs/fans back then say that songs such as "Reunited" (Peaches & Herb) and "Love Don't Live Here Anymore" (Rose Royce) were considered disco. Let's not forget "Love's Theme". Again, a small section may be helpful.-- Musicluv 03:27, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
You guys, MCs rapped over reggae, funk, and soul beats, not only disco. Kurtis Blow's "The Breaks" is more like funk as is Teena Marie's "Square Biz".
House music and techno share close roots BUT they're different genres in the electronic kingdom, although there is something called Detroit House which is a hybrid of the two (e.g. Inner City).
"Planet Rock" did indeed play a role in shaping up house and techno music, but it doesn't compete with disco music. "Planet Rock" is more signifcant regarding Latin freestyle music, electro-funk, and Miami Bass.-- Musicluv 03:42, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I'd have to concur, this is totally wrong. Hip-hop started without rapping, DJs (like Kool Herc, Grandmaster Flash, Afrika Bambaata) would spin records and mix the "breaks". That is drum or riff parts with NO vocals. Popular breaks are still around (Drum and Bass is all built around the Amen Brother drum break, which is NOT disco). In fact, they hardly every used Disco breaks. MCs started boasting over parts of their mixes, which is where rapping started. Additionally, "Rapper's Delight" is not really old school, or part of that movement. The Sugar Hill Gang were not even a group, they were pulled in by producers that wanted to make a hip-hop crew. They were even named after the record company.
Not cool -- Ezweave80 00:27, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
i was just wondering about the reasoning behing the recent change to the genrebox. while house is definitly a derivative of disco, i would have thought eurodisco and italo disco were best classed as subgenres. -- MilkMiruku 12:19, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
An important reason for the revival not mentioned in the article is the alternative/grunge generation of rock fans had a very different attitude towered the music then earlier generations of rock fans. They looked at disco and the 1970’s as campy fun. Despite that musically, fashion an attitude wise the alt rock generation was the opposite of disco they had a strong sense of irony. The 1990’s and beyond has featured many formally hated disco artists such as the Bee Gees being elected to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And how could and disco revival section not mention everybody doing the Y.M.C.A. at ballparks, weddings etc? 02:18, 17 April 2006 (EK)
What's with all the "<br>" breaks? Shouldn't this be wikified? Zepheus 19:39, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
The first section after the introduction has a heading followed by many, many lines of blank space before finally starting the text after passing the bottom of the genrebox. I think this is a nuisance, and should be fixed. Effect observed on Windows 2000 IE 6.0.2800.1106 -- Tuvok 19:18, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
A Google search, etc., turned up no evidence of an artist called Nelson James or a song called "I Have an Afro." Given especially that this song, said to be from 1972, predates all other "disco" songs in the list, I suspect someone made this song up. Does anyone know anything to the contrary? -- Albalb 2:16 10 June 2006
Donna Summers lasting influence on Dance music comes from her single "I feel love" as well as the entire D-Side of her album bad girls, as these songs are all totally electronic and therefore more fitting with the transition of disco from teh 70's to the 80s —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.131.208.144 ( talk) 00:12, July 1, 2006 (UTC
Donna Summer has more lasting influence than that. She should at least be given a sentence or two for being the Disco Queen, rivaling the Bee Gees and Chic.
She was one of the main symbolic figures in the disco movement and that era in general. "Love to Love You Baby" and "Last Dance" helped define disco in the public mind as associated with the casual sexuality of that period. She along with John Travolta and the Bee Gees became Public enemy 1 2 and 3 in no particular order to the those in the "Disco Sucks" movement. I personally heard her referred to as “Donna Slut" many times. 02:17, 5 July 2006 (EK)
Donna Summer has more influence than just "I Feel Love". "I Feel Love", "Love To Love You Baby," "Hot Stuff", and "Bad Girls" are her four groundbreakers noted by many rock critics universally as well as her last biggie - "She Works Hard For the Money". She is the pre-eminent disco artist, hands down, and awaits inclusion to the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame (remember, the Bee Gees were more like a pop-rock Beatles-esque group initially before switching into the disco and R&B arena).-- Musicluv 03:19, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
The last paragraph of "Rock versus disco" has the feel of being the synthesis of a scholarly work. However, it is not cited as such. It would therefore appear to constitute original research. The argument presented is quite interesting, but without any reference it would have to be removed from the article. __ meco 18:39, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
The section was removed by Drmagic and I'm copying it here pending source citations:
< removed section begin >
< removed section end > __ meco 20:11, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
70s Disco Nights is a live365 radio station. I feel the link to all live365 radio stations that advertise disco music should suffice. I haven't checked out any of them, so if someone would assert that this one in particular provides high quality programming I would agree to have that link remain individually. Otherwise not. __ meco 21:53, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
i agree with your sentiment, Meco.
Drmagic 21:56, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia has something called the 3 revert rule which states that any user who engages in edit warring and performs more than tre reverts in a 24-hour period will be blocked for 24 hours. I won't report the current episode, however I will report the next. __ meco 07:28, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
edit wars don't include vandalism and the reverting of the introduction of false content, which is what this user has done not only to this article but to other articles such as
The Beatles and
The Bee Gees. thus as a member of the recent changes patrol i am entitled to make whatever corrections i see fit. so in the future when you see me reverting 142.59.75.179's changes, you'll know it's legit.
Drmagic 13:21, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
I see that some articles have sound inclusions. It would be great to be able to click on an icon next to "Soul Makossa" or "The Hustle" to hear samples from these songs. I don't have the equipment for implementing this so I haven't checked out any project pages that would explain how to go about making this happen. __ meco 16:54, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
This article is very vulnerable to corruption as people on a variety of impulses add songs and artists to the numerous lists in the article. This process should be subjected to peer-review to ensure that the correctness of the lists aren't diluted by entries that lack an adquate rationale for inclusion. When I see someone adding a song or an artist I will react only if I am familiar with that entry, otherwise not, and I assume others act correspondingly. My proposal is that we duplicate the lists either here on the talk page or on a separate page and move all changes to the lists in the article itself to this preview area where comments can be made on whether to include the entry or not. A caveat notice could also be posted in the article header about this procedural path. __ meco 09:57, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
The change from rock vs. disco to hard rock vs. disco is unwarranted. Anti disco feelings were just as high among fans of Fleetwood Mac or the Eagles as those of Led Zep. One of the main objections to disco at the time was it's de-emphasis on the writer or the singer. A soft rock fan had particular reason to dislike this element of disco.Every exhibit or website I have seen use the term "rock" fans not "hard rock" fans 69.114.117.103 07:22, 31 August 2006 (UTC) (EK)
This song has been added along with "Heart of Glass" the non disco artists who made disco records. While I agree with "Heart of Glass" how is "Rapture" a disco or even disco influenced record? 69.114.117.103 05:28, 24 October 2006 (UTC) (EK)
I'll respond to that. "Rapture" is very obviously in part a tribute to both Chic's "Good Times" and the Sugar Hill Gang's "Rapper's Delight." Play "Good Times" and "Rapture" back to back, and you'll see that they have the same tempo, are in the same key, and have similarity in the bass line and some of the repeated guitar chords. Sure, "Rapture" isn't purely a disco song, but the influence of both disco and disco-based rap is clear, intentional, and respectful. Michael 06:42, 17 December 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.161.174.69 ( talk)
I did not alter the text of the article, but it seems to me that the lists are a tad out of hand, and that the point is made after say, 10 examples from each, as opposed to over 20. Perhaps someone can edit this down a bit, as listing all songs under the catergories is not feasible.
Also, I think that the aryicle delves too deeply into off shoot genre's dervied from disco. To mention that disco influenced their genesis is one thing, but to provide such exacting examples, and dedicating whole sections of the article to it seem to stray from the main topic too much, and bloats the entire piece. (Though it is otherwise written well enough.) MergeCar 04:46, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
In the generally good section "Did Disco really die?" synth is mentioned. If you are referring to Synth Pop the answer is no that genre is a sub category of New Wave. Disco was smooth,optimistic,confident Synth Pop was nerdy,choppy, and many times pessimistic. 69.114.117.103 20:14, 18 November 2006 (UTC) (EK)
I think that's a fair assessment (though disco wasn't necessarily optimistic). Synthpop really grew out of the white art-school, art-pop movement, unlike disco which was essentially a black, soul-influenced style. They didn't even cross over very much until post-house. -- 80.0.118.40 14:55, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
The article mentions “1977's classic Saturday Night Fever”. This is a Point of View. What should be mentioned about the movie is that it made disco popular in what we would call red state America today. There was one week in early 1978 when nine of the top ten records were from the movie and the Bee Gees broke the Beatles record by having five records in the top ten. 69.114.117.103 07:11, 24 November 2006 (UTC) (Ed Kollin)
I am looking for the song "Pop Music" online and cant find it i did find a 2002 version by Rainer Schonfelder but want to download the original version any suggestions Thank you in advance for any help —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alw2634 ( talk • contribs) 03:37, 3 January 2007 (UTC).
Very little said about this very influential period in disco music history. 80' disco, or what professionally known as Italo Disco was an underground monster that whipped dance floor in the mid 80's. It had a tremendous following in the gay community and later evolved into house, trance, and other electronic dance forms. However, the original Italo Disco sound only came back recently in artists like Miss Kitten, etc. If you don't know what Italo Disco is and actively critiquing disco and other dance music, please take a look, otherwise you are skipping a very important part of disco that had a much bigger influence than Saturday Night Fever. Italo disco examples: Sylvester- "Rock that Box", Laura Branigan -"Self Control", C.C. Catch - "I can loose my heart tonight", Savage - 'Don'tcry tonight", Divine - 'Love chain reaction', Rose - 'Magic Carillon', Sheryl Lee Ralph - 'In the evening', etc. And make sure it's in a 1981-88 time frame, otherwise your are listening to a remix with altered sound. Good luck! Mish
A lot of different arguments and a very different times of course but there are some similarities. Both are/were a fight within the same generation. What struck me most in reading some of the anti emo rants out there was criticism of effeminate clothing and hair style of emo followers. 69.114.117.103 12:40, 4 February 2007 (UTC) (Ed Kollin)
The line:
"...disco is not too brilliant and it can be said that..."
was removed because it was POV and worse, simply vandalism. Jtpaladin 18:27, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Back in the '70's, we didn't have computers to make the music that can be created from a simple PC today. With many Disco songs, there were sometimes many instruments, including entire orchestras.
One reason for the demise of the popularity of Disco was because record producers didn't want to spend the kind of money to make Disco music that was needed. Rock music only needed a band with a few instruments and was relatively inexpensive to produce.
The record producers wanted Disco dead and did what they could do make this happen.
Along with Rock fans that were scared of Disco, DJ's that didn't like Disco, and TV shows like "WKRP in Cinncinati", that relentlessly attacked Disco, is it any wonder that Disco collapsed as quickly as it did? I remember watching the film, "Stripes" and Judge Reinhold wearing a shirt that read, "Death before Disco". What other genre of music had ever fallen out of favor so quickly?
Please check out http://www.emplive.org/exhibits/index.asp?articleID=622 for some interesting quotes from people in the industry.
This is of course my analysis of the demise of Disco in popular culture but these are some ideas that should be further explored. Jtpaladin 19:56, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
REMOVED: *
Eagles - "The Disco Strangler"
Reason: This is not a Disco song and is more of contemptious piece insulting the Disco life-style.
Jtpaladin 17:58, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
SUrely this is a mis-type, however I am not sure what to change it do. 120 bpm is a bit leisurely, and 200 bpm is pretty frenetic. As a rough guess, I bet most of the "disco" hits I am familiar with (and which may or may not be representitive of the genre) run about 150-160 bpm. But then I am not either a fan or expert on the genre, so perhaps someone who is could revise this. Wschart 16:17, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Too many unregistered users are editing this. Look at the grammar date, for example. February 2008?! I hadn't even logged on yet and I could fix problems in it. It needs a lock! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Natvvgal ( talk • contribs) 15:36, 17 March 2007 (UTC).
1. Giorgio Moroder was Italian, but worked on his "computer disco" in Munich, so would he be considered Italo Disco or Eurodisco?
2. It seems to me that most disco music (except for Boney M, Dschinghis Khan, and quite possibly the Village People) is about dancing and/or love. Why is this so?
3. Did they have disco in the Soviet Union (or any similar form of music)? 24.250.1.196 00:00, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Where did the term 'disco' come from? Is it just a shorting of 'discotheque' or is there some other meaning? PolarisSLBM 01:45, 16 April 2007 (UTC).
I know that there are tons of music genres but I have no idea what's the differnces between them all, that includes pop, disco, techno, club, jazz, blues; so i wonder if someone could add a music sample? radiant guy 08:47, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
We all have our little quibbles (No James Brown and Sly And the Family Stone in the late 60's section) but the article is much better organized and easier to read and is much much clearer in explaining concepts. So Thanks to all who contributed Edkollin 06:23, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
I don't see anywhere a reference to this disco band, who was very famous in the early stages of Disco with songs like shake your booty... I think they deserve to appear in this article somewhere...
It was called disco in Europe, it was never called Eurodisco. This term 'eurodisco' only came into existence somewhere in the early ninetees. So to immediately name all 'old' or source-disco from Europe eurodisco is a silly attempt at excluding Europe from its sources. Europeans have as much right to call your disco-music "US-disco" or "ameridisco" or something stupid like that. Stop trying to make America the source of all that is music! 80.126.64.97 23:18, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
There was a huge POV rant on this page about anti-disco punk songs, including a long list of very obscure singles, which I have now deleted. That is because it was lifted, wholesale and uncredited, from this page: http://terminal-boredom.com/antidisco.html Since this is a clear breach of WP:COPY, it has been removed accordingly. 80.254.147.52 14:02, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
I probably should have brought it to the talk page first before reverting, but whatever. DiscoMusic, explain why you think the stuff I removed should be in the article. P4k 14:49, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
in the decline in popularity section it seems the author of this section,makes the death of disco as july 1979 when they had disco demoltion night,which i do understand music historians to say was the death of disco,but this of course means death in a figurative sence not a a literal sence disco maintained popularity through out 1979 and right up to the end of 1980 the true death of disco was late 1980 early 1981. being 1980 was pretty much the same musicaly as 1979 and was a transitional year .i think that should clarified.-- Mikmik2953 05:25, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
I removed some spammy/uninformative/otherwise terrible links. Anybody who wants to explain why they should be included can do so here, although I'd prefer if they didn't. Keep in mind that external links generally need to be in accordance with WP:EL. P4k 03:07, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
disco was one the first dance made the secend bt the way
I deleted disco "originated from African American Soul Music and Funk Music. Philadelphia soul is the blueprint and direct origin of the Disco sound." No it wasn't. I added links that lead to other articles in Wikipedia and on the web proving my point. It is obvious to me that some people think disco started with Saturday Night Fever and they do not know much about what they are writing about. This article needs a lot of work!--Mickey 11:59, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm glad to see that ABBA is no longer mentioned at the start of the article. Just because a group is disco for 18 months out of a 10 year career does not mean they are disco. Being a huge 70's music fan, I have their original albums and only "Voulez-Vous" has more than 1 Disco song. This article still needs a lot of work, But at least it's sorta finally getting better! Retro Agnostic ( talk) 17:40, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Disco (Test Infobox 1) | |
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Stylistic origins |
Primary:
R&B,
Funk,
Soul (especially
Motown Soul,
Philly Soul),
Psychedelic music,
Latin (especially
salsa,
merengue) Secondary: Gospel, Yé-yé, Pop/Rock, Classical music, Big band |
Cultural origins | in main article |
Typical instruments | Orchestration |
Derivative forms | Silent disco • Hip-hop |
( complete list) | |
Fusion genres | |
in main article | |
Regional scenes | |
in main article |
Disco (Test Infobox 2) | |
---|---|
Stylistic origins | Psychedelic rock, Soul, Funk, Pop rock, Latin music |
Cultural origins | in main article |
Typical instruments | main article |
Derivative forms | main article |
( complete list) | |
Regional scenes | |
main article |
In accordance to this sequence (with references):
Disco is a genre of dance-oriented music that originated and was initially popular among African American, gay and Hispanic communities in the late 1960s. [1] [2] [3] [4]
the category "LGBT culture" was added. -- Yaneleksklus ( talk) 17:30, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
4 out of 4 sources cited mention the term "gay" and do not mention the term "LGBT". -- Yaneleksklus ( talk) 17:41, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
This section states there was a revival in the 90's and and 00's but the song by rick astley Never Gonna Give You Up seems to be a revival song and it was from the 1988,i think this song should be included in the article but because it is basicaly a disco song (here is the source[ [11]]) so i wanted to add it in there but a little confused on where to put it as per should the revival star from the late 80's.
I found this site interesting:
"A history of disco music"
http://www.jahsonic.com/Disco.html
It does crib some from Wikipedia articles, but there are other sources referenced.
Perhaps most helpful are the long lists of "Proto-disco" and disco records on these pages:
http://www.jahsonic.com/PreDisco.html
http://www.jahsonic.com/Disco2.html
Michael 09:00, 17 December 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.161.174.69 ( talk)
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Basically over a few short months a large part of the article has become uncited. The ten year backlash notion is ridicules as that section itself only mentions 1979-1981. The lesser of evils at this point is to revert the article back to 2008 sometime. Edkollin ( talk) 08:13, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
You probably can't easily do that kind of reversion, so why don't you just edit the section in question and make it better? You don't need anyone's permission to get rid of the 10-year notion. Ikan Kekek ( talk) 22:58, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and edited "10-year" from the subtitle. Please, edit whatever else you see in the article that you don't like. A generalized complaint that the article has become a disaster doesn't help anyone know what to do to make it better, and you know best what problems you see. Ikan Kekek ( talk) 23:02, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
I see the main problem is that much of the material is uncited. I thought at this point best option was to go back to a certain date. Going back in history and replacing the current material via copy and paste is not that difficult. Trying to pick the date would get ugly. Trying to find a cite for every uncited line is beyond my abilities and frankly I would doubt people have the time to do that. Going line by line and deleting uncited material would cause problems on many levels. I have done significant editing on musician and some genre articles but only minor editing here. All I was doing was making observations and a suggestion based on my experiences. I know about being bold but I just do not think it is would be in the long run helpful to for me on a whim to undo the work of people who have more knowledge and time invested in the material. Edkollin ( talk) 13:59, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
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The M&M photo, captioned "Saturday Night Fever's impact on culture," is highly questionable. It's a photo of something that's around now and wasn't around until a few years ago, at most - at least in New York. I think the caption is anachronistic and an inaccurate inference, and therefore, that the photo and caption should be deleted. Ikan Kekek ( talk) 02:59, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
In the article, the following is stated with a reference:
"The first article about disco was written in September 1973 by Vince Aletti for Rolling Stone Magazine."
However, in the archives of this Talk page, we find this:
"The 1973 RS article used the compound `disco sound,' but the Oxford English Dictionary has references to `disco beat' as early as 1965."
I do not own a copy of the OED. It would be great if someone who does could check the references to "disco beat" (which might not be articles and, therefore, might not disprove the claim about Aletti's article), if any. If the unsigned comment added by 166.84.1.2 in the archives is accurate, it would be very interesting to see what was meant by the term in 1965, and I would think that we would probably want to include such references (again, if any) in this article.
Ikan Kekek ( talk) 04:34, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
The "article" says that disco music was around since the late 1960s yet later it says that the very first disco music was around in 1973 or 1974. Someone should edit this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.251.253 ( talk) 09:17, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
sorry for the recent edit on unreliable source, i forgot to add WP:NPOV ( WP:NPA). Using slangs can be considered personal attacks.
Layout of invalid citation
-- 173.183.102.184 ( talk) 06:27, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
How can the musical A Chorus Line (1975) have had its dance styles influenced by Saturday Night Fever (1977)?
I'm just kinda wondering.
Removed ", and the musical A Chorus Line(1975)"
~BlueDrache August 18, 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by BlueDrache ( talk • contribs) 02:36, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Katy Perry's California Gurls, Shakira's She Wolf and Lady Gaga's Alejandro are called disco. I don't know what the name of the genre is, but disco sounds different. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.176.85.160 ( talk) 20:41, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
Moved Possible error section to bottom as it is custom to put new sections at the bottom Edkollin ( talk) 22:02, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
"Disco was used as a reaction by New York City's gays as well as blacks, Latinos and heterosexuals...". Doesn't that cover pretty much everybody, excepting a few Caucasian and Asian bisexuals? 208.65.73.105 ( talk) 17:06, 29 June 2011 (UTC)