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This describes a traditional Chinese toy, but the article didn't mention its origin. Is this about the same thing?
What is that? What about those of us who do not speak French? Why doesn't someone just translate it?
"Metal yo-yos can be set on fire"? [[User:Meelar| Meelar (talk)]] 17:50, Oct 29, 2004 (UTC)
The origin of what is these days considered almost solely a juggling prop may be China, but "diabolo" is a far more common term than "Chinese yo-yo": Google returns 604,000 hits for "Diabolo" and "4,300" for "Chinese yo-yo".
This is not an east/west divide thing either, as Diarhythm, a prominent Japanese diabolo website, use the term diabolo, not chinese yo-yo. Furthermore, this regards the English entry and in the English speaking world, the term "diabolo" is unequivocally more prominent. User:Jamescole1980
Contributor Whoever was the fuckwit who stole the content of entry of Diabolo and changed all 'Diabolo' words into 'Chinese Yo-Yo': Please create your own entry for Chinese Yo-Yo, revert Diabolo entry back to it's former glory and cross-reference those two. Diabolo is a branch of juggling, Chine Yo-Yo is a toy. They are very different in appereance. The picture on this entry shows Diabolos. 90% of the external links refer to Diabolo arts. I wrote much of the original Diabolo entry and resent this article being trashed to 'Chinese Yo-Yo'. If you want to get flamed more, go to rec.juggling to contemplate whether this should be called Diabolo or a Chinese yo-Yo.
Fizzl
Sorry about my very impolite message. I hadn't had my first cup of coffee in the morning. The point stands thou, this should be moved back to Diabolo :)
Holy hell this page is a mess.
It contradicts itself and confuses people by talking about two different things.
Yes, the chinese yo-yo might be a part of an ethnic dance, but Diabolo is solely a juggling prop.
NO Diabolo is designed to make whistling sound because the loss in aerodynamics defeats the purpose.
Very few of the listed tricks are used in any kind of ethnic dance with Chinese Yo-Yo.
I don't know anyone who performs with actual Chinese yo-Yo's. I know quite a few Diabolo artists thou.
I have never seen anyone juggle multiple Chinese Yo-Yo's.
Diabolo's are pretty much made of rubber and some are made of metal to use them in fire diaboloing. Some chinese yoyo's are made of wood, but no Diabolos.
Does someone want to introduce both items here, or would it be wiser just to split this up?
...I can't believe I have spent 3 days driving this matter now, after months of indifference. Just after reading the latest version I came to realize how much this current article can confuse and mislead people interested in Diabolo or Chinese Yo-Yo.
Ok bit of a wiki noob not sure how format and stuff works here so bear with me. Both "diabolist" and "diaboloist" are used in the article. Not sure which is correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.167.235.94 ( talk) 21:44, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
New note.... should there be an addition of long/wide bearing, triple bearing, and short bearing axle diabolos? I have seen those before in shops, but don't quite know how to cite those are real things... 21percent ( talk) 01:50, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Entry for Diabolo was removed and the topic nowadays just redirects to Chinese yo-yo. Chinese yo-yo is not the correct name for the item depicted in the entry. The juggling prop is called Diabolo universally in juggling circles. The original move was probably initiated by an ill-informed newbie to the art. The content of the page has deteroriated as people have been removing stuff which does not relate to Chinese yo-yo (which also looks different). Also the external links and the picture are irrelevant to 'Chinese yo-yo' as they clearly refer to Diabolo. Diabolo and Chinese yo-yo are quite two different things. I propose leaving a new empty entry for Chinese yo-yo which could be used to tell about the particular item. Addition: To see what I mean. Here's a Chinese Yo-Yo and here's a Diabolo. I ask for this change now because I thought someone more proficient with Wikipedia would come to resque and correct the error. -- Fizzl 10:21, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I made a merge of content from before the previous move. Also added a boilerplate for history. I have a faint idea of the history, european Diabolo craze and other history related stuff. I want to do some research before adding anything thou. It seems now Chinese yo-yo is redirecting to Diabolo. I thought it would be good if chinese yo-yo had it's own entry because it would have been the perfect place to tell more about the usage of Chinese yo-yo as a toy, in religious use and as a crowd gatherer in market situations.
Fizzl
Correction
[I don't know anyone who performs with actual Chinese yo-Yo's. I know quite a few Diabolo artists thou.
I have never seen anyone juggle multiple Chinese Yo-Yo's.]
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:the thing is, their are plenty of kids who play the chinese yo yo, just chek out a local chinese school and they should have it. My chinese school is proud of our chinese yo yo team, since im part of it. I can tell you that their are plenty of people who play chinese yo yo and plus there is a clear difference between the two toys, so ... The conversation was pointless lol
"commonly misspelled as diablo and mispronounced dia-BO-lo;"
OK, is it mispronounced AS "dia-BO-lo" Or is that a mangle way of saying it should be pronounced that way? If it is, as written, "dia-BO-lo" is incorrect, then what they hell is the correct way? If "dia-BO-lo" is correct how about some punctuation? Here is some to choose from .,!?";: —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.181.253.68 ( talk) 05:49, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Churchh ( talk) 22:37, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
All this info: "The term "diabolo" was not taken from the Italian word for "devil" — "diavolo" — but was coined by French engineer Gustave Phillipart, who developed the modern diabolo in the early twentieth century[1], and derived the name from the Greek dia bolo, roughly meaning 'across throw'. Confusion about the provenance of the name may have arisen from the earlier name "the devil on two sticks", although nowadays this often also refers to another circus-based skill toy, the devil stick."
is pure fantasy.
Diabolo, with the "o" does mean devil. This game was known as devil game before that French person even existed. There is exactly one source of this ridiculous misinformation, at that is one English gentleman who wanted to promote (and perhaps import) the toy in England.
Please show here a source other than British that show that monseur Gustave Phillipart invented the name. Pre "Phillipart" diabolos look exactly the same as today, just look at the damned 1812 picture. Cone shaped and everything. There is even a painting in Denmark titled "Girl playing with DEVIL game" also from 1812, showing a modern double cone diabolo. This is before mr. Phillipart allegedly invented the term diabolo for the toy. He may have called it diabolo, but as it is not his invention, and since it was called devil game everywhere before he was even born, the etymology is quite wrong.
Especially the very absurd throw across, seriously, Diabolo does mean devil. Whether it was an attempt of the French or British guy to hide the true name, I don't know. In the countries where Diabolo/Diavolo/Diablo means “devil”, well, that's what vas was called there. Most places it was know under the "Devil" name in whatever local language there was.
Can't you people see how ridiculous it is that some French engineer suddenly postulates that he named the toy after a dubious Greek terminology, when the toy had been known for hundred years as DEVIL game, Diabolo/Diavolo/Diablo etc?
Regards, Jimenéz —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.51.151.79 ( talk) 19:49, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
See discussion here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Toys#Merge_Chinese_yo-yo_and_Diabolo.3F MatthewVanitas ( talk) 23:39, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
Removed [1] from article as it is a commercially related link with no relevance for this article. Robynthehode ( talk) 09:42, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
References
According to [1] diabolo is the European descendant of the Chinese yo-yo. Setenzatsu ( talk) 18:37, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
The German wikipedia says it was invented in the stone age and that the Inuit had the toy. So what is this about Chinese yo-yo. The yo-yo was not originated in China anyhow. Also the etymology seems quite confused if it came from Italian with a "v" how has it not got a "v" in English? Is there a Mondegreen going on here where diabolo is heard as diablo? The whole history sounds not just confused but folk etymology (made up by people into a plausible story). Then there is this - allegedly killed people in Paris so it was banned. Well this is vague - where are the reports / sources of this moral panic? Who was killed / injured in connection with use? All this removes the credibility of the rest of the article. There must be sources in Chinese, Italian, French if these things are so - and some references do appear in the list like this. But none in Chinese and none in Italian. 88.112.31.26 ( talk) 06:20, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
Diabolos aren't just circus items they are actual toys. As an 11 year old boy I love diabolos. most of the tricks you see at shows are really easy even for ammutures like me 73.57.138.249 ( talk) 22:32, 31 May 2024 (UTC)