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Let's assume good faith please. People probably feel their additions are warranted. If you feel the additions are unnecessary you are free to remove them. Gamaliel 07:01, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
I'm also not sure what you specifically are referring to, and its hard to go down the edit list and check diffs on Deaths because most of the editors don't put in edit summaries. I would hope that most of the updates here (including yours WB2) are done in good faith, and not to show how large someone's internet p3n1s is. I know most of my contributions to this page are just like Xoloz', commas, caps, alphebetize, links, disambigs. -- Syrthiss 12:54, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
Research reveals that WB2 is probably referring to an edit which altered his "Brock Peters, co-star, To Kill a Mockingbird" to read "Brock Peters, American actor..." [1]. In my opinion, this edit was appropriate, since the late Mr. Peters deserves notice of his entire career, including (perhaps especially) his role in Star Trek movies. :) In any event, I assure you that I pay equal attention to all listings, and would love to have a day where no revisions were necessary, because everyone remembered their alphabet. Xoloz 17:56, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
Actually, IP address person, the particular edit in question does not come from me, but from GusF. I'll also note in passing that you, oddly, have WB2's habit of indenting every sentence, which is unusual, and suggests... well... I'll allow people to draw their own inferences. Xoloz 07:07, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
To 67.94.18.184 : Why is WB2 right? Have a look at the other entries on the page. They follow a similar format - name, age, nationality, profession, main claim to fame, cause of death and in many cases external link to report of the death.
WB2 included the name (correct), age (correct) and "co star To Kill a Mockingbird" (still correct but not uniform with previous entries). User:GusF amended it to show the nationality and slightly reworded the description of his career so that it made clear his profession was "actor". User:Xoloz added the cause of the death and the external link. The additions weren't "extraneous" - they were adapting it to the same format and same level of completeness as every other item on the page. How exactly did that steal WB2's thunder? Why is it important who got there first - the edit history shows WB2 did get there first so what's the big deal? I would suggest you assume good faith that both GusF and Xoloz did no harm to the entry and merely standardized and completed it, which should be seen as a good thing. WB2 said "if the addition has merit... please feel free". I don't understand how the edits could be assumed to not have merit. Rossrs 07:19, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
I confess honestly that I unable to make much sense of what 67.94.18.184 has said. However, just for the record, as far as I know, "Xoloz" has no meaning -- I chose the alias while in an altered state some years ago because it was short, and an uncommon combination of letters. If there is a gang by this name, I have no affiliation with them, but I think they have excellent taste in nonsense words, and I always welcome any new friends with excellent taste. :) Xoloz 06:32, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
67.94.18.184 : I can't imagine what habit you could possibly have adapted from me, and I don't mind not knowing. You didn't answer any of my questions, at least not in any form that I can comprehend, and that's fine. I don't understand most of what you've said, and once again, that's fine. I don't personally know any prosecutors that I can turn to for advice, and that's also fine. I do agree that To Kill a Mockingbird is great. A great story, beautifully filmed and movingly acted. Even if that's the only point we can agree on, and I suspect that it is, it's a pleasant enough point. Rossrs 13:26, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
What the ....? That doesn't even make sense. You've crossed the line when you accuse me of being a sock puppet, so I don't feel any obligation to be polite to you anymore. I'll just avoid you in future. I've been editing here for about 2 years, and have made about 6000 edits, and you're right - it's all been an elaborate ruse, cleverly anticipating the inevitable death of actor Brock Peters, and your personal attachment to him by virtue of the fact that your parents allegedly knew actor Gregory Peck, thus leading me to this moment of triumph. Bloody hell. All I can say is you and 67.94.18.184 have a highly unique and identical writing style, and I'm not going to be crazy enough to communicate with the two (or one) of you again. Rossrs 10:08, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Well, I think I have also been accused of being a meat-puppet. I must say, I'd be happy if I were, because I'd love to live in Australia, and Rossrs seems to have done fine work here. Alas, I am not -- as might one day be confirmed beyond doubt, if I succeed in having myself declared the ugliest man in Vermont. On the other hand, maybe every user on Wikipedia is the same person, and the entire massive site is the work of world's most variegated multiple personality sufferer? A great mystery, and epistemological conundrum, which I am sure wll never be answered to WB2's satisfaction. Xoloz 13:42, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Clearly, Reeves is disputed, however, a BBC story supported her claim, and she is now freshly dead. In the spirit of decency, and since impractical primary source research would be needed to resolve any controversy firmly, I have called her "possibly" the oldest, with "claim in dispute." I suggest that this depicts the situation accurately and respectfully. Xoloz 23:57, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
Primary source research has been done on the individuals in question. Lucy D'Abreu and Judy Ingamells, alive as of 31 Aug, are well documented -- Reeves was not even 2nd oldest in UK. BBC [3] has reported such. Note that Reeves' BBC claim is simply according to local MP. [4] Acctorp 02:19, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
Recent Deaths is not the place to decide fine questions of source reliability, not in the least because it is somewhat unseemly to argue about the proper honor to be accorded a 111-year-old woman in the one line that constitutes her Recent Listing. There is a claim from an authority known to the public that she was the oldest Englishwoman; however dubious that authority, the claim is itself notable. If there are no objections, I could understand saying the claim was "heavily in dispute" or even "doubtful." Having a series of edits about whether she is the oldest Brit, oldest Engishwoman, second-oldest Brit, or second-oldest Englishwoman in her one-line listing here seems both disrespectful to her, and unresolvable in this inappropriate forum. I believe it is accurate to say: Reeves is notable for having been aged, possibly the oldest in England, although that claim is heavily in dispute. This summary avoids bickering about rankings in the "brief obituary" context. Anyone interested can click her article, where you are welcome to present a fully-sourced case. Does this make sense to you? Xoloz 03:10, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
Yes, it makes sense to present a fully-sourced case in her article. Also, I agree your recent edit to "heavily in dispute" is accurate and factually correct. Keeping with Wikipedia policies and guidlines concerning disputed information which, if verified, would remain in the article [ [5]], I'm keeping this on the talk page. I submit that the current edit factually affords this individual the honour and respect she deserves. Acctorp 21:19, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
I see that someone else edited Mrs. Reeves yet again, and that you, Acctorp, did a very nice job revising to content that should never spark controversy, an edit which I fully support. Let's hope the matter is settled. Xoloz 02:18, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
His own page says he died 31 August. Here it's 1 September. Which is correct? JackofOz 07:18, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
BBC says Aug. 31, so I have moved him; others corrected his name, which was John. [6] Xoloz 15:12, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
Cassio Raposo do Amaral, 62, Brazilian plastic surgeon and medical professor.
Why is this person here? I'm sure that he was well known by those in the field, but can normal people, who make up most of the readers of WP, be expected to know who he is?
Is this person the same as Antoni Clave (also 92) who appears in Deaths in late August? Seems too coincidental to be true. JackofOz 01:15, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
[8] Clearly sad.
It is arguable whether this belongs here, but the mother's pregnancy was national news, and she has a standing wiki, so I think a report of the baby should be here. I do not think young Torres deserves her OWN wiki -- this many be a rare case where someone not independently notable deserves mention here, so that this page might offer good coverage of a "notable death" event. Xoloz 07:30, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
Sadly we lost two porn stars this week, Billy Steel on September 15, and Ghalia Hachem on September 13. Even sadder, I don't think either of these people ever existed (and if they did I apologise to their families).
A Google search turns up zero hits for either of them. Interestingly they managed to combine their porn careers with acting (Steel) and cabaret performances (Hachem), and despite their diverse talents still seem to have entered and left the world unnoticed by Google. Added by an anon otherwise I would have left a message at the contributor's talk page. I'd really like to see some proof of their lives before I'd accept any word of their deaths. Rossrs 07:28, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
I hesitated to add Russell Harris (24 September 2005) to the list. The guy himself isn't noteworthy, but his death - eaten by a crocodile - is. I wondered whether a remarkable death should be reason to include a person in this list, and then I noticed Herman Ashworth, who probably wouldn't have been listed if it wasn't for the way he died (execution). 193.172.135.148 10:00, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
Greg Sadowski, 46, Inventor of the New York Kielbasa.
Well, I hesitate to remove this anon. contribution, but the nature of the claim to fame makes me want a source. Xoloz 15:54, 28 September 2005 (UTC)