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Dark romanticism is a movement that begins with British writers such as Byron, while transcendentalism is an American movement of writers such as Emerson, Thoreau... Gothic Fiction is also from the time of the British romantic writer rather than American ones. ByronicLady 19:30, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Correct me if I am mistaken but Edgar Allen Poe is THE Dark Romantic, is he not?
As it stands right now, this article seems like completely original research in the sense prohibited by Wikipedia's guidelines. That is, it puts forth a novel set of historical ideas and interpretations, and synthesizes facts in support of this interpretation, in Wikipedia's own voice. I'm holding off on nominating the article for deletion, though, because I get the sense it is recapitulating some set of scholarly sources -- so the problem should be fixed by providing citations immediately, rather than reporting these interpretations as though they were simple facts. -- Rbellin| Talk 20:24, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
I hope that in expanding this stub, I've solved the original research problem as well as addressed other points raised above. Stcircumstance 23:49, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
I've completed my first set of revisions on this article, which consisted mainly of adding citations, adding pictures, and making the content a little easier to read. I may start on a second round of revising, so I welcome feedback on the article as it stands right now. Stcircumstance 14:29, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Hawthorne was a Transcendentalist before he, well, wasn't, but I don't think he ever really became a kind of Dark Romantic. Even your first citation makes only a note to Poe as the Dark Romantic, while Melville produced one story (and not even one of his more notable stories) and Hawthorne no stories, at least, I haven't found an example yet.
I just feel like you're trying to make an argument here. You're supporting it, but it's still an argument. Poe is your only solid bet, and I like what you did with the Gothic tie in, but if I were you I would leave Hawthorne and Melville out of it. -- J.Dayton 18:03, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Is the poorly supported link between Anti-Transcendentalism and Dark Romanticism. Hawthorne certainly had a lot to say about Transcendentalism. He would certainly fit into the Anti-Transcendental category, but did Poe really say much about Emerson's movement? He died in the 1840s, let's not forget, and American Transcendentalism wasn't really a strong presence until around then. I mean, Nature was published in 36', but it took a while for the movement to come together, and Poe was certainly writing before it even existed.
I like what you did with Dark Romanticism. I just don't understand how it equals Anti-Transcendentalism. -- J.Dayton 18:19, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
I don't how to do it without reverting to a "see also" list, but just to point it out - E.T.A. Hoffman could do with a mention here somewhere. 88.105.121.63 ( talk) 12:38, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Hey! does anyone know where this awsome genre went?!?! Seriously, though.. It would be helpful if this page gave examples of modern works of Dark romanticism (if there's such a thing). -- ♫ Chris-B-Koolio ♫ ... (Talk) 02:46, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Observations about the weaknesses in this article have waited almost four years to be addressed, so we can surely assume it's not going to happen. I haven't checked reference 1 (I can do so later this week), but unless that does the job, the article has not one reliable source on its main topic. Most of the references deal with side issues like transcendentalism. The Thinkquest links are mostly dead; one which isn't - 11 - is clearly a self-published web-page put together by some students. A reliable source it is not. Reference 10 does at least use the term "dark romanticism," but I am skeptical that a page on a library website is reliable either, and in any case it describes only a small group of British writers.
I was led to this article by other Wikipedia articles (e.g. Herman Melville), using the term then linking back here. And thus an supported claim is spread. KD Tries Again ( talk) 05:12, 6 December 2010 (UTC)KD Tries Again
In German Studies these authors are not regarded as Romantic authors, though both had a pre-Romantic ('Sturm und Drang') phase early in their lives. If the article wants the reference to 'possibly the most famous writer of the romantic movement (sic), Johann Wolfgang von Goethe' to be taken seriously a very strong case would need to be made with solid backing from a range of reliable sources. The notion that Goethe and Schiller are Romantic (or even romantic) authors is a notorious high school student blunder, usually based solely on their dates of birth and death, and does the article no credit whatsoever. Norvo ( talk) 01:15, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
As is clear from Mario Praz's authoritative study published in 1930, dark and sinful and satanic themes in Romantic literature long predate the American interest in such themes, even by Edgar Allan Poe. Moreover it was Praz himself who baptized this literature "dark Romanticism". I have corrected the article accordingly! Wwallacee ( talk) 13:20, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: moved per request. Favonian ( talk) 19:56, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
Dark romanticism → Dark Romanticism – The title should be capitalised as it is the name of an artistic genre. Ngram shows Dark Romanticism is the more common title by a considerable margin Medarduss ( talk) 22:02, 16 December 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. echidnaLives - talk - edits 09:11, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
I'm confused about the difference between dark romantic and gothic, which seem (from the description) to be extremely similar. The only distinguishing feature mentioned in this article (twice!) is that dark Romance has secret societies and gothic art doesn't. Is that it?!
I feel like anyone coming to this page with no knowledge of dark romanticism (a term I first heard today) will have the same question. I've always just heard Poe bracketed with the gothic. 82.42.161.198 ( talk) 12:24, 21 May 2024 (UTC)