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http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=n74642016015114085152so3.jpg That crow threw a pack of cheetos from the stand, ate one then opened another package and ate all of it, they do have a thing for cheese :P I don't know if it would be a contrubiton the article but I guess people interested in Crows might find that one interesting. I don't have acess to original file right now (took it last year should be in one of the backup discs), but I think I have the .raw of that photo or at least higher resolution somewhere. I'll check back this talk page sometime later this week, so drop a note if you want it for wikipedia. 85.108.109.30 ( talk) 01:00, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
"Crows have been noted to have some type of funeral, and ravens often score very highly on intelligence tests."
Does the word "funeral" in this sentence have some meaning I'm not familiar with, or is this just a typo? -- Camipco 23:09, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
I belive the name for this family is not Crow, but Crows. Crow is a species? Dan Koehl 09:58 Dec 18, 2002 (UTC)
Jim, this page is going to get really long if we mention all 100-odd species! And then there are the close allies (which some authorities classify as part of the Corvidae - notably Sibley & Alquist) - woodswallows, butcherbirds, Australian magpies, currawongs, birds of paradise, mud nest builders .... !
Also, some notes on the origin of the family and the relationships between them are appropriate. I'll do an entry on the Australian ones shortly, but (at this stage) I intend to do a single article to cover the six species - better one good article than five stubs - and in the case of these six, they will go well in a single entry. But if this is going to mess you up, sing out! (Regard my additions to the listing just now as temporary, in other words, to be moved elsewhere if it seems appropriate.) Tannin 00:22 Mar 15, 2003 (UTC)
Tannin sounds good to me. I'm splitting articles as I go along as well. jimfbleak 07:12 Mar 15, 2003 (UTC)
Dan Bird families are often described as singular. Although Crow is often used in common parlance for a species, all forms have a more correct name, such as carrion crow or American crow. jimfbleak 07:12 Mar 15, 2003 (UTC)
Nice solution, Tannin. I'll adopt this and make the redirects as I go along. jimfbleak 11:44 Apr 17, 2003 (UTC)
I've made this even more precise, and it now refers only to the species that are called crows in English, since we also have an article on the genus Corvus. - Montréalais
so why does crow crow? shouldn't the article explain a bit about their behavior? food? etc? Xah P0lyglut 02:56, 2004 Jun 14 (UTC)
I thought the evidence suggests that Corvids evolved in Australasian region and radiated outward. Barker (2004) - abstract here: http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/0401892101v1 - suggests that in fact all Passerines evolved in the Australasian region and radiated outward. In fact Barker is quoted “There are many endemic Corvida birds on the Indonesian island of Lombok but very few on Bali, the next island to the west ... sure enough, the line separating the Asian plate from the Australasian plate runs between Bali and Lombok." ERicson suggests a Gondwanaland origin of the Passerines: http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/links/doi/10.1034/j.1600-048X.2003.03121.x/full/ and says some interesting things about the corvids also. Scot Mcphee 20 Oct 200417:50 (AEST).
I changed the Crow page into a disambugation page, and moved the original article to this page.
Could we have a proper picture? The painting is very nice and all but it would be good to have a real photo too. Agentsoo 9 July 2005 11:40 (UTC)
It's nitpicky, but are we concerned about simple spelling and grammer issues? For instance, you "insure" your car against damage, but you must "ensure" that nothing happens to it. When referencing the crow's feeding on the poisonous toads the beaks "ensure" the innards can be reached. But that's awkardly worded anyway. Maybe that can be fixed as well...-- APZachariah ( talk) 13:58, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
I was trying to find the lifetime (in years) of a crow, but couldn't find it in this article. This info needs to be added. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.191.21.204 ( talk) 19:55, 23 April 2007 (UTC).
Someone who's an expert on this should consider combining the Raven article with the Crow article, which both look to be quite similar and have a lot of overlap. Or that someone should explain what the difference is and why the pages are separate.
The explanation of that is in the article. Quote: "Raven is the common name given to several large black birds of the genus Corvus. Other birds in the same genus are the smaller crows, jackdaws, and rooks." Or: Raven = large Corvus, Crow = small corvus 88.73.5.50 23:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Crow accounts for the entire family whereas Raven is a particular species. I don't see why you would put the two into one article, none of the other animal articles are organized in this fashion. See http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-difference-between-a-raven-and-a-crow.htm for more details. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.75.158.180 ( talk) 21:39, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Please, no, do not merge Raven into Crow. I like the suggestions put forward by Nixve and Plcoffey. I am a birder and use Wikipedia (among other resources) to look up accounts of birds. Ravens and crows are distinctly different groups with species under each. A crow is not a raven, a raven is not a crow. If the quote sited above "Raven is the common name given to several large black birds of the genus Corvus. Other birds in the same genus are the smaller crows, jackdaws, and rooks." is confusing to those unfamiliar with these birds, perhaps it can be clarified. I am too close to this so I don't see the reason for confusion and have no suggested clarification. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kperegrine ( talk • contribs) 15:31, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
I'd suggest merging Raven and Raven (disambiguation) instead, since the current Raven page is just a group of links, better handled by a disambiguation page. Narayanese ( talk) 14:35, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Burton Two ( talk) 21:56, 17 December 2008 (UTC)==Crow Hunting==
Are there any states in the US anybody knows of that it is illegal to hunt crows? RHW/Femur corrected the federal guidelines for hunting crows that are predating or posing a health hazard. Could the UK and Australian codes be referenced by EU wikians?
There is a citation requested in the section on hunting in relation to the law in Australia- i don't know how to insert citations, but if anyone would like to, each state in Australia has mirrored legislation protecting all native fauna, with a number of exceptions. It would be legal to cull native birds in some areas of NSW if the were agricultural pests. The example legistlation would be the NSW National Parks and Wildlife Act http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/npawa1974247/ there would be similar provision for all six states, and Commonwealth legislation which provides for similar protection in the two federal territories.
Washington state (U.S.) fish and game regulations: per official state web site, crows are classed with upland game birds and may be hunted from Oct 01 through Jan 31, except that birds "depradating" may be destroyed at any time. A small game hunting license is required (US$ 32.85 per year for residents). There is no 'bag' limit, so any number may be taken per day. The 60 year old American Crow Hunters Association holds an annual crow hunt and crow calling contest each June. Ravens are protected by state and federal law and may not be hunted at any time. As to why one would hunt crow, several web sites offer recipes for both whole-bird and breast- meat-only preparations. Most breast meat recipes suggest four to six breasts (two or three birds) per adult serving. Bon appetit. Burton Two ( talk) 21:56, 17 December 2008 (UTC) 17 Dec 2008
I hope this doesn't disrupt any ongoing crazy theological argument... but I must say-- we can do better than the current crow pic, right? How about a nice, hi-res photo? I might have one or two available... but would rather give a resident wiki-head the chance to find something first. Consider it a heartfelt request from an honest, regular *reader* of the 'pedia. This is a major article on a very notable bird. As such, a passable, mediocre illustration just doesn't cut the mustard. I beg that YOU find a pic worthy of this important article! I know you all are up to it-- make me proud! (wipes tear from cheek) 66.222.50.71 05:52, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
"Crows have been noted to have some type of funeral, and ravens often score very highly on intelligence tests.
Does the word "funeral" in this sentence|Dan Koehl]] 09:58 Dec 18, 2002 (UTC)
Dan Bird families are often described as singular. Although Crow is often used in common parlance for a species, all forms have a more correct name, such as
carrion crow or
American crow.
jimfbleak 07:12 Mar 15, 2003 (UTC)
is quoted “There are many endemic Corvida birds on the Indonesian island of Lombok but very few on Bali, the next island to the west ... sure enough, the line separating the Asian plate from the Australasian plate runs between Bali and Lombok." ERicson suggests a Gondwanaland origin of the Passerines: http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/links/doi/10.1034/j.1600-048X.2003.03121.x/full/ and says some interesting things about the corvids also. Scot Mcphee 20 Oct 200417:50 (AEST).
I changed the Crow page into a I felt this was both fair and NPoV as it does not form an opinion on either work (like one being inspired from the other) but rather says that they where inspired from the same origin which is vague enough to mean anything the user reading wants it to mean. Likewise I am unsure of your reason for reverting my edit... was my revised changed incorrect, of biased point of view or offensive? I look forward to your reply on this matter. -- Zikar 13:30, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
, we have chosen, chosen to believe certain things that aren't supported by historical evidence. We've done this as a matter of faith, which I'm sure you'll agree is a very important thing to have. But as much as we edit can surly allow both ‘’our’’ parties to be happy, unless you specifically wish to discredit the bible. I haven’t checked the page on Noah’s Arc. However, if that article is to be NPoV then it would have to supply and comment on both criticisms and support for Noah being fact or fiction showing both side fairly letting the reader decide for themselves. Being that this is a completely unrelated article I feel it should support neither view but instead point to articles where readers can make up their own minds.
Finally… Please just answer me these questions, don’t go any deeper than the words used.
Do my edits detract from this article about Crows?
Do my edits contain incorrect or bias UTC)
information request:
getting back to a previously mentioned idea: what exactly would a crow "funeral" consist of? if the rites differ from group to group, is there a general "shape" to a crow funeral/mourning patterns? what kinds of things could one expect a crow to do after discovering the death of another crow in its social group? does the pattern differ when mourning a mate?
i am also curious to know more about these kinds of social groupings -- what IS a crow social group, how does it function, how large might it be, etc. i understand this will differ species to species, but are there some general observations that can be made?
- jonathan ball, 5 nov 2005
The part about Neopagan beliefs regarding crows being black is idiotic, especially given the fact that not all crows are all-black, and American crows, which appear black, are actually dark brown, and ravens have a dark blue sheen to them.
Peasily 10:03, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
I grew up hearing the name Corvus americanus for the American Crow; Audubon, for example, used this name.
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Anyone know if this was formerly the name of Corvus brachyrhynchos; if it referred to a different (or multiple) species; or if the name was never an official name for any species? In any of these cases it seems a note in the article (something along the lines of "syn/formerly C. americanus") would be helpful, but I'll leave that to those more knowledgable in this area. -
Severinus 21:00, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
I think a big project would be to take out some of the books listed on the crows.net bibliography and provide specific references for a lot of these assertions (and others in other sections on the site). I think we really do need a section on the vocalizations though...it's one of the most interesting (and prominent) aspects of crows. So...please do look over what I wrote, feel free to butcher it if need be, although I think we definitely need to have more discussion of the sounds that crows make (the word caw wasn't even mentioned on the page!). Cazort 00:41, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
What is their average life expectancy? should that perhaps be added?
The article looks really stupid without average life expectancy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.14.254.26 ( talk) 11:23, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
What do crows eat? (seeds, insects, road kill?) RJFJR 14:36, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
The paragraph under "Mythology and Folklore" about Native American mythology is misleading and possibly incorrect. It asserts that corvidae are sinister and negative animals in this culture's folklore. While the figure Kwakwakalanooksiwae is indeed a cannibalistic villain, the portrait of crows and ravens is often benign. The more common Raven is alternatively portrayed as a creator-god, a fertility god, a Promethean saviour, and a comical trickster. While Raven's motive is often mischievious, the result is usually benficient to humans. I will not, however, change the paragraph unless more in the community agree with the modification. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Squids We B ( talk • contribs) 18:11, 10 December 2006 (UTC).
"In Native American folklore, Crow is often seen as a similar trickster to Coyote. However, Crow's tricks tend to be more out of malice and they rarely (if ever) are portrayed as a hero. One possible explanation for this is that crows are often considered a pest to crops, which the tribes who came up with the stories featuring Crow needed to survive."
I removed this paragraph. There is no source of where this information comes from. It is also incorrect to state that all Indigenous people share the same belief regarding crows. Anthropologists would be more specific.
-Bill Apr 9, 2007
Is it alright to call some crow species as scavengers? __earth ( Talk) 14:15, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
I have problems with the statement "In modern films such as Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest, The Omen II and Exorcist: The Beginning, crows are shown tearing out people's eyes while they are still alive. This, of course, does not happen as crows can distinguish between carrion and living people." while crows can of course distinguish between carrion and living people, American Crows have been shown to attack and eat from living livestock (Kilham, 1989) and i see no evidence that they would not do the same to a weak or young human. I suggest revision. -- Plcoffey 23:23, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Anyone have a problem with me changing this?-- Plcoffey 00:52, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
The Wikipedian community should be aware that this article has been targeted for vandalism. I've removed the "Crow Predation" section. Gimme danger 17:56, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
If I recall,crows have a thing for shine.Should there be a mention of this? User:Serprex 20:06, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
These two articles are very similar, and I'm seeing parts of the Crow article that could very well be part of the Raven article, such as that on Hugin and Munin. I propose redefining "crows" in this article to be small corvids, since the "ravens" are defined to be large corvids. What does everyone else think? Depending on whether or not there are negative responses, I will start work on splitting the two articles soon if there are no objections. Cheers, Corvus coronoides talk 01:13, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
They shouldn't be merged. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.247.165.195 ( talk) 18:48, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
A Raven is not a crow so why shou you merge the two articles. They are different birds and the only reason that people get them confused is because they look similar! I think that you should not merge the two pages. 71.121.206.145 ( talk) 00:13, 4 January 2008 (UTC)Mouse
I totally agree that the two articles should not be merged. To say that a Raven is a Crow is like saying that a wolf and a Silver Fox are the same. On thing that could be done though, is that the two articles could be divided up more. The sections in the crow article which talk about Ravens, for example in mythology, could be transfered to the Raven article and the Crow article could focus more on this one genus. Because Crows and Ravens have such a long history in mythology and European folklore perhaps a seperate Wikipedia section should be made called "Corvus" under which the discussion of the genus and the ways the two species differ not, and, maintain the two articles on "Crows" and "Ravens" but use them to discuss the cultural, historical and mythological symbolism of the two animals. If a link to "Corvus" is supplied in each entry then the information should be more fucused and complete. PhilipGHunt ( talk) 17:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
This image is awfully large and doesn't seem to be referred to in the body text of the article. It'll swamp the connections of dialup and mobile users. Should it be removed, linked to instead of embedded, or otherwise changed somehow? I'm surprised to see it's already been here for a whole month. 66.11.117.140 20:19, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
I came here because I wanted to know how to tell the difference between a crow and a raven when only one or the other is present. On the article for Raven it is clear that a crow is not a raven, but when I clicked on the link for Crow from the Raven article it brought me to an article that seems to be about the entire genus, not one species. Further it completely veers from no difference between a crow and a raven to ravens being a species of crow to all crows being ravens. It is very confused and makes one wonder if any of you guys know what you are talking about. Whatever is written here it completely contradicts what was stated in the Raven article and everything that I had been taught. It would seem the first person that brought this up was on the correct track, there is the genus, Crow then the species which are either crows or ravens.
Here’s what the Encyclopedia Britanica has to say: [blanked]
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Could someone add some IPA to clarify the pronounciation? Is it crow rhyming with Homer Simpson's d'oh or is it crow rhyming with cow? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.138.194.235 ( talk) 19:21, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi my name is Vikas Chopkar and i am from india. I heard from someone that Crow have only one eye and he can rotate the eye internally to see from both side is it true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.18.124.231 ( talk) 09:09, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
I would like to know that wether crow has two eyes or not.In my childhood i was told that crow only one eye,And i could"nt find any material to read and confirm.Pls let us —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.168.92.151 ( talk) 10:56, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
will crow make sound at night? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.101.70.33 ( talk) 09:58, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
From the first paragraph, we have "Crows are widely understood to be awesome."
I suggest removing it. It has no meaning and no reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pedzsan ( talk • contribs) 22:10, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
Why most of interwikis in this article is about Corvus (genus)? Once already tried to remove the incorrect link, but it was postponed back. -- Treisijs ( talk) 15:52, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
It may have been otherwise in the past of this article, but by now its subject is identical to the subject of Corvus (genus) and they should be merged. -- Pjacobi ( talk) 11:17, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Actually, I think you may be wrong to have done this, because Corvus actually means "Raven" and the raven is the type specimen, so corvus is not very synonymous with crow.
IceDragon64 ( talk) 23:45, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Evolutionary history has a paragraph repeated. IceDragon64 ( talk) 23:42, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
I think the top pic is a Carrion Crow- all black, not a Hooded- grey with black "hooded" head.
IceDragon64 ( talk) 23:49, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
So is there a distinction between the two? Either to biologists, or in common parlance? -- llywrch ( talk) 04:58, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
I seem to remember an Inuit creation myth about light being formed by a crow tapping on mica and man being formed by a crow chipping on wood. I don't have any more info but if anyone knows a reference I think it should be included in the "Myth and Spirituality" section.
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The sentence "Another skill involves dropping tough nuts into a trafficked street and waiting for a car to crush them open." cites http://books.google.com/books?id=-Qs1qGys0AwC&pg=PA3, which has, on page 1, this sentence: "They found no support for the notion that crows were using automobiles as nutcrackers". This source seems to directly contradict the sentence which cites it. Should it really be included there? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dieselmachine ( talk • contribs) 22:18, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
This section regarding the topic of crows seems to be severely lacking in sources of info. Footnotes and bibliography is needed.
Bill- Apr 9, 2007
How does this get a mention when it is not even referring to crows but ravens? I think it should be deleted and/or replaced with a reference to the movie The Crow which would portray a better example of crows as a positive in media.
In Half-Life 2 It's crows, not ravens. It's just a town named "Ravenholm" But there's no ravens there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.232.62.121 ( talk) 21:57, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
Articles states "Crows are now considered to be among the world's most intelligent animals[3] with an encephalization quotient approaching that of some apes," with [3] being the citation:
"A Murder of Crows". Nature. PBS video. 2010-10-24. Retrieved 6 February 2011. "New research indicates that crows are among the brightest animals in the world."
The article makes a claim and cites a quote from a video citing unsourced research, and furthermore provides no source on the encephalization quotient. Should be fixed but I'm no corvid expert, so hopefully someone else can improve this. -- Babomancer ( talk) 07:24, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
are there copyright issues squidoo.com/crow1/ here? MarkDilley —The preceding signed but undated comment was added at 01:48, August 20, 2007 (UTC).
The hunting section discusses only the United States. Walter Siegmund (talk) 03:48, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
There's already a list of Corvid species, so I think that this should either be a separate page about the bird or a redirect page to Corvus. KakarikiNZ ( talk) 07:16, 20 July 2022 (UTC)