Tick list
GA review – see
WP:WIAGA for criteria
- Is it reasonably well written?
- A. Prose quality:
- B.
MoS compliance for
lead,
layout,
words to watch,
fiction, and
lists:
- Is it factually accurate and
verifiable?
- A.
References to sources:
- B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
- C.
No original research:
- Is it broad in its coverage?
- A. Major aspects:
- B. Focused:
- Is it
neutral?
- Fair representation without bias:
- Is it stable?
- No
edit wars, etc:
- Does it contain
images to illustrate the topic?
- A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have
fair use rationales:
- B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with
suitable captions:
- Overall:
- Pass or Fail:
- Is
File:CourtneyLoveyoung.png allowable? Has there been a check done at
Wikipedia:Media copyright questions?
SilkTork
✔Tea time 16:31, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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- The lead needs building per
WP:Lead - it should be an over-view of the whole article.
SilkTork
✔Tea time 17:40, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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- The statement that Love is best known for her band needs citing, and does seem somewhat contentious.
SilkTork
✔Tea time 17:46, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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- Prose needs attention - "an actress with a bit parts", "the band went on to receive considerable critical praise and released..." in the lead. There are short disjointed paragraphs and information that doesn't seem to follow on - "Carroll and Harrison filed for a divorce shortly thereafter..." after what is not clear. Love's mother is mentioned by her first name. We have five uses of Love's name in three connecting sentences. Visa doesn't need a capital letter. I'll go through when I have a moment and do a bit of copy-editing. It's also worth getting in touch with
Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors.
SilkTork
✔Tea time 18:03, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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- At times the detail seems excessive, and the article would benefit from trimming and tightening. The first paragraph of Hole reformation, for example, could be cut, and appears to be based purely on Love's Twitter account which if there are no other sources indicates the low level importance of the information.
SilkTork
✔Tea time 18:14, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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On hold
There is a lot of information in this article, and it is well organised. I have yet to check sources for accuracy and balance of coverage. I am putting on hold for an initial seven days for the presentation issues to be dealt with:
- Build the lead
- Check usage of image
- Trim excessive detail
- Copy edit
I will try to help out if I get the time. Any questions or queries please feel free to ping my talkpage.
SilkTork
✔Tea time 18:19, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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- Items brought up in the review are not being dealt with. The statement that Love is best known for her band Hole, is still there, uncited and unjustified on this review page. The lead has not been built up. The questionable image has not been dealt with or explained here. There is still too much excessive detail or sometimes it is inappropriate prose - "In 1989, Love boarded a bus from Alaska heading to Los Angeles..." I assume this means she moved to Los Angeles, but that is not clear. A copy edit is still required. I've not had as much spare time the past few days as I would have liked, so I have not been able to help out. I will extend the hold for another seven days, as I would rather the issues were addressed, and this article gets listed than simply close the GAN now; but I would like to see the issues addressed on the article and/or some comment here.
SilkTork
✔Tea time 18:35, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
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- I've been super busy these past couple of weeks myself, but I'm going to try and work some more on this. The problem I'm finding is the trimming of details, mainly because of the abundance of noteworthy events in Love's life— she's had a lot happen to her and has done a lot, so it's difficult finding what should and shouldn't belong here (i.e., irrelevant vs. relevant). She's a difficult, multi-faceted subject. I'm not sure what you exactly mean about the being "best known for Hole" in the lead... do you mean a citation is necessary there, or should it be re-worded? I'll work some more on it, I think the material is organized and present, it's just a matter of cleaning up some stuff.
Scottdoesntknow (
talk) 20:11, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
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- If you have suitable reliable sources that say she is best known for Hole, then please use them, otherwise reword the statement. I suspect, for many, she is best known for her association with Cobain. For other people she may be best known for herself.
SilkTork
✔Tea time 00:51, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
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- Again some decent recent work. I'm away this weekend, taking part in the Beachy Head Marathon, when I get back next week I'll take a close look at the article to see if any further work still needs to be done.
SilkTork
✔Tea time 17:11, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
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- "In 1987, she submitted an audition tape to director Alex Cox..." - I can't check the source for the correct date, but this needs amending as she made films with Cox released in 1986.
SilkTork
✔Tea time 10:26, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
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- "In 2003, Love temporarily lost custody..." - the article doesn't say why, but then there is a quote - ""Courtney's been clean for years and is perfectly fine...", so this should be tidied up. Either the tease quote should be removed, or more background to why she lost custody should be given. I also note from
Kurt_Cobain#Frances_Bean_Cobain, that there is more history to the relationship that could be brought out. I feel that in the circumstances, given the media coverage of this, that it would be appropriate to mention that drug usage is the reason for the occasional lose of custody.
SilkTork
✔Tea time 10:33, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
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- Guitars section is sourced only to a Flickr image. Are there no sources which can give reliable information on her guitars?
SilkTork
✔Tea time 13:44, 29 October 2011 (UTC) There's
this which I just found for the
Squier Venus article.
SilkTork
✔Tea time 13:55, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
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- I'm having problems checking out some of the sources. For example, there are online copies of
Flipside (fanzine), but not of issue 68, and there's no online version of The E! True Hollywood Story. I'll see if the material can be sourced elsewhere so it can be confirmed. At the same time I note that there are a number of unsourced footnotes, such as "Love was often seen playing a student-modeled 620 in Hole's early performances", and the long footnote regarding her birthname. There are also various statements in the article, such as "was described as an anthology of the band's progression from punk rock to more mainstream alternative rock tastes", which need citing. As I work through the article I'll start tagging these so they can be sorted.
SilkTork
✔Tea time 14:40, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
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- The article says: "had Namgyal Buddhist monks move into her home to help her deal with the recent tragedies", while the source says "recently lent her Carnation, Wash., home to the Namgyal monks who, she says, have helped her through the past months" - there's a slight but important difference.
SilkTork
✔Tea time 14:52, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
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- The long unsourced footnote says that her birthname was Courtney Michelle Harrison, and that she wasn't called Love - yet
this source, which appears to quote Love herself, gives the details as Love Michelle Harrison, and that her name changed by the age of three to Courtney Michelle Harrison. There's a note in the article saying the sources are wrong, and yet there's no source which indicates that Courtney Michelle Harrison is correct.
SilkTork
✔Tea time 15:12, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
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- There are occasionally multiple footnotes. If there are different sources for different parts of a statement, these could be
bundled together; if they are different sources supporting the same statement, then consideration could be given to replacing with one single reliable source.
SilkTork
✔Tea time 15:07, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
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