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Sounds
"Cold wave" was also used in the British music press (e.g.
this cover of Sounds magazine circa 1977) in the late 1970s, generally in the same context as in the article - post-and-concordant-with New Wave, pre-New Romantic - although as far as I know it never caught on to the same degree as the aforementioned. -
Ashley Pomeroy (
talk) 11:55, 25 August 2009 (UTC)reply
The cover has sadly been deleted - it was a black and white shot of Ralf and Florian from Kraftwerk, wearing sweaters and slacks, with a caption along the lines of "a cold wave is coming" or "Kraftwerk's cold wave" or something similar. -
Ashley Pomeroy (
talk) 16:18, 26 March 2010 (UTC)reply
In fact there's a copy at the top
here, Sounds Magazine, November '77, "NEW MUSICK - The Cold Wave". The article is by
Jon Savage and there's a transcription on his website
here. Doesn't actually use the term in the text though. -
Ashley Pomeroy (
talk) 17:24, 26 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Oh, for the love of God, that site has been deleted too. Luckily there's a copy
here in Imageshack. -
Ashley Pomeroy (
talk) 21:52, 26 May 2010 (UTC)reply
Maybe a distinct article for the Americain Coldwave could be great ?— Preceding
unsigned comment added by
89.85.224.151 (
talk) 16:10, 14 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Ilovetopaint's editorial choices: they erased sources by experts who do have an authority and bandsnames
First,
Ilovetopaint had reverted strong sources such as The Village Voice, music historian
Mick Mercer who is cited by
Simon Reynolds in Rip it up and start again, plus French Cold Wave groups such as
KaS Product: here are the edit differences
[1].
Then, they included poor sources from treblezine which is a fanzine, and put this in the lead which is
wp:undue.
[2].
Woovee (
talk) 18:40, 5 February 2019 (UTC)reply
1) The only information I removed was a random, unexplained
namedrop to the band
Kas Product, shoehorned from a French paper that says nothing about cold wave other than to say that the band were part of the movement -- along with a host of other acts -- please find a source that elucidates Kas Product's importance to the genre 2) Please explain how or why the info you want removed is offensive or inaccurate. All the sources say, basically, is that "cold wave" is a meaningless term for what's otherwise called "goth-rock", "minimal synth", "dark wave", etc. And that's 100% true. Trying to distinguish "cold wave" from "minimal wave" is like trying to distinguish "techno-pop" from "synth-pop". 3) Treblezine is not a "fanzine" any more than Pitchfork or Gorilla vs Bear, if you think there is an issue with sourcing to Treblezine then bring it up on
Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard 4) I don't recall whatever I've disputed from Mick Mercer --
Ilovetopaint (
talk) 02:23, 7 February 2019 (UTC)reply
There's always arbitrary decisions from Ilovetopaint and ignorance:
1) They revert music historian
Mick Mercer as a source for
KaS Product: -->
[3] Revision as of 13:53, 14 January 2018 by Ilovetopaint.
2) Libération is a very strong source. Ilovetopaint reverted it.
[4]
3) Treblezine and Crack are poor sources from writers who don't have any authority for this kind of music. --> Mick Mercer is an authority for dark music.
Here, you put too much weight on the Vice source: have you actually read it carefully? of course you did and this is why your way of editing is problematic.
Vice source: 1) it is written "Blogvice" at the top of the article which means, it is published under the blog section of this website: a blog is not a
wp:RS unless it is written by a professional journalist.
What about the content of this blog vice source ? this is an interview of a DJ who makes "parties in New York (now happening at Home Sweet Home, 131 Chrystie @ Delancey, on Wednesday nights". What an authority and an expert in music. You see, you first erased the music historian
Mick Mercer sources (I am still waiting for the reason why you erased it) and you included a 2007 chat with a DJ in a nightclub as the ultimate source who was probably not even around at the time in the early 1980s.
The DJ said; these bands "did not sing in English", (really all the bands ?), you take this for granted, that's the quote you selected to include on wiki, whereas this DJ obviously advances completely inaccurate facts.
Marquis de Sade recorded all their albums in English; do you know? KaS Product too.
Congratulations, you've finally brought up one actual point of dispute. But you still haven't explained why Kas Product is a
meaningful example or why anyone should think that "minimal wave" is different from "cold wave". And for all your repeated claims of SYNTH, you're still adding back in the French paper that says nothing about cold wave. The reason I removed the Mick Mercer sources is because he also says nothing meaningful about the bands you want listed.
Ilovetopaint (
talk) 08:19, 12 March 2019 (UTC)reply