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I ask this question because Watch the Throne, a collaborative album by Jay-Z and Kanye West, is not listed as part of either rapper’s studio album discography. So which is it? If you ask me, both this and Love for Sale were marketed as Tony’s albums. They are on streaming services with Tony listed before Gaga. Therefore, I believe they should be listed as part of Tony’s studio album discography, but not Gaga’s. Thoughts? 2601:48:8100:B6A0:DFA:EA02:5A1E:AF4A ( talk) 14:49, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
Also, if you check out Kanye’s discography page, his two collaborative albums aren’t included as part of his studio albums. Yet for some reason Gaga’s are. So again, which is it? 2601:48:8100:B6A0:DFA:EA02:5A1E:AF4A ( talk) 14:52, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
Ok then you have some work to do on Kanye’s discography page, as currently it doesn’t list Watch the Throne as part of his studio album discography. 2601:48:8100:B6A0:B435:22AF:C973:92A9 ( talk) 18:30, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
This is literally the same thing though. Both are albums by two singers, however, inexplicably, only one is being described as part of the singers’ main discography, while the other isn’t. That’s plain hypocrisy. 2601:48:8100:B6A0:B435:22AF:C973:92A9 ( talk) 19:32, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
Ok but then if we are supposed to consider Cheek to Cheek to be Gaga’s fourth studio album, why isn’t Watch the Throne considered to be Kanye’s sixth? That’s the hypocrisy I’m talking about. We either need to make changes to Kanye’s pages, or to Gaga’s. 2601:48:8100:B6A0:B435:22AF:C973:92A9 ( talk) 19:49, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
I never claimed that you wrote that article. I am talking about the concept of collaboration albums, which both Cheek to Cheek and Watch the Throne are. If you are telling me that Cheek to Cheek should be considered to be part of both Gaga and Bennett’s discographies, then surely you must believe the same for Watch the Throne, no? They are both the same kind of album, so how can you possibly believe one thing for one, and another for the other? How is that not hypocritical? 2601:48:8100:B6A0:B435:22AF:C973:92A9 ( talk) 20:02, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
Alright then. Exactly what is the reasoning that Wikipedia had decided that this album should be included in both Tony and Gaga’s list of studio albums, and why they haven’t decided that about Watch the Throne? Looking at the talk page, I can’t find any explanation as to why it was determined that this should be considered to be Gaga’s fourth studio album, so I would love for you to clear that up for me. 2601:48:8100:B6A0:B435:22AF:C973:92A9 ( talk) 20:27, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
So how exactly is the decision supposed to be made then if even sources contradict each other? I apologize if this question doesn’t make sense, or if I haven’t been clear with what I’ve been asking, but the point I’m getting at is that there should be some kind of consensus as to whether collaboration albums should be included in their respective artists’ main discographies. My opinion is that they should not, but of course I don’t expect Wikipedia to go off of just my opinion. I believe we should try to get a consensus from other users.
However, my other point is that whatever the decision is, it should clearly go for both albums, as they are both collaboration albums. I understand they are not the same album, but they are the same kind of album, so I’m not sure how it’s unreasonable to expect that the same rule should apply to both of them. 2601:48:8100:B6A0:B435:22AF:C973:92A9 ( talk) 20:53, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
Ok well that is the position I hold, that both collaboration albums should not be considered as part of her main studio album discography. And unless anyone can give a valid reason as to why that shouldn’t be the case, I don’t see why that position can’t be upheld. 2601:48:8100:B6A0:B435:22AF:C973:92A9 ( talk) 21:20, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
So let me get this straight. If no one ever discusses this with me to come to a consensus, my belief doesn’t get to be put on Wikipedia, even though no one has proven that it’s wrong? 2601:48:8100:B6A0:28A9:9060:BA38:FE13 ( talk) 03:45, 11 December 2021 (UTC)