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![]() | On 30 November 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Bombing of Dresden in World War II to Bombing of Dresden. The result of the discussion was Moved. |
In 1943 the UK and US government constructed a site known as "German Village" in Dugway Utah at a US Army base. The US Americans contracted Standard Oil to construct houses that resemble worker-class residential housing, which was used to optimize the incendiary bombs later used on the Bombing of Dresden.
I think this information (that the US and UK government actively invested over half a million dollars in engineering better ways to destroy residential housing) demonstrates an intent to commit war crimes that should be added to this article.
There are several references for this available in the External Links section of the following article:
* /info/en/?search=German_Village_(Dugway_Proving_Ground)#External_links
Would someone be interested in adding a section about the "German Village" to this article?
Maltfield ( talk) 17:21, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
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The number of persons killed in the bombing of Dresden in World War II is a frequent topic on this talk page. If you wish to raise this subject again, before doing so please:
(A) Familiarise yourself with previous discussions in the talk page archive;
(B) Take into consideration the findings of the Historical Commission on the Air Raids on Dresden between February 13 and 15, 1945 (Historikerkommission zu den Luftangriffen auf Dresden zwischen dem 13. und 15. Februar 1945) which was set up by the Lord Mayor of Dresden in January 2007 and reported on 17 March 2010. You can find the full report of the commission at
[1] (use Google translate if you don't speak German), in which you will find:
"Zusammenfassung der Ergebnisse Im Ergebnis der von der Kommission vorgenommenen Untersuchungen wird festgestellt: Bei den Luftangriffen auf Dresden vom 13. bis 15. Februar 1945 wurden bis zu 25.000 Menschen getötet."
This translates (electronically) as "summary of results As a result of the investigations carried out by the Commission, it is found: During the air strikes on Dresden from February 13th to 15th, 1945 up to 25,000 people were killed."
(C) Take into account work written by historians after the date that the commission published its findings. (For instance, Overy, Richard (26 September 2013). The Bombing War: Europe, 1939–1945. Penguin UK. ISBN 978-0-14-192782-4.);
(D) Remember that, as per
WP:NOTFORUM, the talk page is to discuss content of the article and is not for general discussion of the subject.
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The 25-30k figure is the lowest estimate by the soviets, and it is completely unknown what it is based on. More than 30000 bodies had been recovered, even though a lot could have been obliterated and many buried. The source here settles on about 60k. It is from the USAFE, who as the legal descendent of the USTAF, are interested in keeping the numbers low. And even they accept a 60k figure. Which also lines up better with the higher area said to have been burning. This should be corrected. https://media.defense.gov/2013/May/23/2001329959/-1/-1/0/Dresden%20again.pdf 2001:4C4C:1EE6:5000:11AD:AA4F:3684:30B1 ( talk) 20:28, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved.( non-admin closure) Kiwiz1338 ( talk) 04:17, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
Bombing of Dresden in World War II → Bombing of Dresden – Unnecessary disambiguation; proposed move target already redirects here. As TheForgottenKing earlier noted, comparable articles like Bombing of Tokyo and Attack on Pearl Harbor lack the qualifier. rblv ( talk) 03:27, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
I think this article should just be titled Bombing of Dresden". Normally, battles and such are not titled <event> in <war>, but just <event>, especially if there's only one event. Other examples: Bombing of Tokyo, Attack on Pearl Harbor, Battle of Iwo Jima, etc. None of these are titled "<event> in World War II". Just a thought.
This is not an invention (only) by "far right" people in Germany, but is mentioned in the anglophone literature, I don't know how often, soon after the war. This is told by Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn in the preface of his novel "Black Banners" in 1952. 88.77.80.245 ( talk) 16:44, 29 March 2024 (UTC)