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It is obvious that this article is quite slanted - At Amazon - as of 2021-03-27 it is rated 94% positive - so we are back to dueling realities. Hate is at play here - if someone with ideas is not PC people throw the baby out with the bath. Hearing more than one side of things leads to better choices - this is a one sided article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.243.106.82 ( talk) 00:52, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
I would appreciate clarification whether or not citing Jordan Peterson's actual Quora post from 2012 (revised in 2018) constitutes a reasonable citation ( https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-most-valuable-things-everyone-should-know). It has now been removed twice for what seems to me to be specious reasons.
- I can see a reasonable argument for excluding it: Quora is easy to change and Peterson at any time could decide to remove those 42 rules. While I see no rationale for his doing so, it is a theoretical possibility. (That's why Quora has a policy of preferring secondary sources, after all.)
I can also see a reasonable argument for using that citation despite it's relative instability: no other non-Peterson source actually contains those 42 rules. (The currently cited and reverted source does not even mention Quora, nor the number 42, nor does it list the rules. Please see for yourself: https://www.chronicle.com/article/whats-so-dangerous-about-jordan-peterson/?bc_nonce=9d1mkh3lalu6afvxnbo6be&cid=reg_wall_signup).
It seems strange to cite a source for information that is not actually in that source. Am I asking for too much? Is the actual Quora source not less than ideal but better than an irrelevant and perhaps a hostile one too, depending on how you see it?
Please help me understand what recourse I have here, as I am new at Wikipedia editing, but an old hand at the copyeditor game and what I see here smacks (frankly) of activism, which has no place on Wikipedia.
Final point: Jordan Peterson has faced some unfair charges in the popular press, including the CBC in Canada, where he has been associated with racism ( https://www.cbc.ca/cbcdocspov/features/why-its-important-to-oppose-jordan-petersons-views-on-gender-pronouns), and NBC, which called him a "favourite figure of the alt-right". People do make rather exaggerated claims against him, which I do not mean to counter with also exaggerated claims. I'm trying to reach the truth in good faith. Please help me.
Is it paranoid of me to suspect some rather vandal-like but clever people are trying to dissuade me from editing this page with obviously relevant information to replace irrelevant stuff? I'm open to correction! Eager to hear reasonable feedback.
Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vandeburgt ( talk • contribs) 06:58, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
I am concerned that some language in this article reads like copypasta from a press release - notably the "available in hardcover, e-book, and audio" section. My removal of that language was reverted by J.Turner99, so I request that they discuss it here. Looking at other book articles across Wikipedia, we don't tend to be interested in telling people what formats the book is available in. NorthBySouthBaranof ( talk) 16:20, 10 March 2021 (UTC)