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"Bey is a common Turkish surname." This apparently harmless statement has been deleted, whether knowledgeably or as another of those opaque Turkic "issues" I can't tell. (Is it Albanian or something?) I don't have an Istanbul phonebook. The Turkish Wikipedia returns 24 hits for "bey" out of 2012 articles. I'm at a loss. Can someone help out? --
Wetman 12:05, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
bey is the most common used title like MR. in English, I have never heard of it as a surname becouse it is used after the name like Mehmet Bey, Osman Bey, so if is was used as a surname it would be really odd.
Bahamian pronunciation of "boy"
I moved this here, without editing: "*Bey used in The Bahamas a common slang used to replace the word boy. Often ended at the end of sentences similarly to the way "dude" is used
24.244.133.152 17:53, 9 August 2006 (UTC) Oscar Moore" --
Wetman 02:07, 10 August 2006 (UTC)reply
1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica
BEY (a modern Turk. word, the older form being beg, cf. Pers. baig), the administrator of a district, now generally an honorific title throughout the Turkish empire; the granting of this in
Egypt is made by the
sultan of
Turkey through the
khedive. In
Tunis "bey" has become the hereditary title of the reigning sovereigns (see
Tunisia).--3210 16:03, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
{{NextPrev|Bexley|Beybazar}}
I believe that in modern "Soveriegn Movements" and the "Moorish" movement that many men add the name "Bey" to their name to declare themselves as belonging to that movement, and as a personal expression (as they consider themselves under the power of no other Principality but themselves).
(You can look it up... I've met "Moorish" representative in Court, but they do not have licenses to practice law and Judges tell them to sit down, but they insist that the U.S. Constitution allows them certain things that "Constitutional Law", however, does NOT grant them (i.e. ability to represent an individual or give legal advise).
The 1911 Edition of Encyclopaedia Britannica about Yuruks, Kailars Turks beys and Konariotes
The first
Turkishimmigration from
Asia Minor took place under the
Byzantine emperors before the conquest of the country. The first purely Turkish town, Yenije-Vardar, was founded on the ruins of
Vardar in 1362. After the capture of
Salonica (1430), a strong Turkish population was settled in the city, and similar colonies were founded in
Monastir,
Ochrida,
Serres,
Drama and other important places. In many of these towns half or more of the population is still Turkish. A series of
military colonies were subsequently established at various points of strategic importance along the
principal lines of
communication. Before 1360 large numbers of
nomadshepherds, or
Yuruks, from the district of
Konya, in
Asia Minor, had settled in the country; their descendants are stillknown as
Konariotes. Further immigration from this region took place from time to time up to the middle of the
18th century. After the establishment of the
feudalsystem in 1397 many of the
Seljuknoble families came over from Asia Minor; their descendants may be recognized among the
beys or
Moslemlandowners in southern
Macedonia. At the beginning of the 18th century the
Turkish population was very considerable, but since that time it has continuously decreased. A low birth rate, the exhaustion of the male population by
military service, and great mortality from
epidemics, against which
Moslem fatalism takes no pre-cautions, have brought about a decline which has latterly been hastened by
emigration
The Turkish rural population is found in three principal groups:
The second, or central group begins on the sea-coast, a little west of the mouth of the
Strymon, where a
Greek population intervenes, and extends to the north-west along the
Kara-Dagh and
Belasitza ranges in the direction of
Strumnitza,
Veles,
Shtip and
Radovisht.
The third, or southern, group is centred around Kailar, an entirely Turkish town, and extends from
LakeOstrovo to
Selfije (
Servia). The second and third groups are mainly composed of
Konariot shepherds. Besides these fairly compact settlements there are numerous isolated
Turkish colonies in various parts of the country. The Turkish rural population is
quiet,
sober and
orderly, presenting some of the best characteristics of the
race.
Apostolos Margaritis 10:44, 2 February 2006 (UTC)--
3210 22:50, 19 May 2006 (UTC)reply
Spelling of Efendi
Though Effendi is a common spelling, for different reasons of which none is relevant to the Turkish /Turkic spelling, the only correct orthography since Turkish have been romanized is efendi.
Korenyuk 18:16, 6 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Bey
Hi Korenyuk, I think you misconceived something. Bayan is not the feminine equivalent of Bey. Bey's feminine counterpart is Hanım and Bay's feminine counterpart is Bayan. Bey or Hanım always comes after the name, and contrarily Bay or Bayan always comes before the name. Although Bey and Bay share the same origin, we make a clear distinction between them. In this case your comparison in the article becomes wrong. Any comments welcome!
Chapultepec 22:25, 6 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Moved from article for discussion
I am dubious about these items, which I have moved here from the body of the article. Would anyone care to justify them? In any case I'd suggest they need a reliable source.
Man vyi (
talk) 13:45, 1 October 2008 (UTC)reply
Bey Robbins, leader of Team Bey in New York City, established c. 2006. Other members are Busty Johnson, Hi David Feygin and Dantee Hyman
In some Cajun cultures, "Bey" is just a common household name that parents will call their child, a nickname. Example, Sean "Bey" Elliot (the BMW driver).
The title is still used in the southwest of England as a term of endearment.
plzz.. Beyzada removed
plz.. removed beyzada redirect... 18:43, 31 Aug 2012
User:Beypeople
POV
I have removed a POV section claiming that there are scholars claiming a derivation of "beg" from "baj". Three sources were attached to this claim:
“*bēǯu.” in Sergei Starostin, Vladimir Dybo, Oleg Mudrak (2003), Etymological Dictionary of the Altaic Languages, Leiden: Brill Academic Publishers
Ranko Matasović, Ljiljana Jojić, Vladimir Anić et al., eds. (2004), Hrvatski enciklopedijski rječnik (in Croatian) 2 (2nd ed.), Zagreb: Jutarnji list,
ISBN953-6045-28-1
Petar Skok (1988), Etimologijski rječnik hrvatskoga ili srpskoga jezika (in Croatian) 1, Zagreb: JAZU, pp. 104–105
Three sources in Croatian (!) and not a single one of them actually hinting to a connection of "beg" and "baj" ([sic!]; the word is pronunced "bai"), but simply explaining the meaning of "baj".
If this is a serious claim, there should be no difficulty in finding a scholarly English publication.
As for the word "bai" itself, it is generally agreed that it's also a loan-word from Iranian, in fact from the same Indo-European source: *bhag-. See Iranica: "Turkish took the title bäg, beg, and later bey; in early Turkish in Brāhmī script it was bhek, and in Byzantine Greek the Khazar title was written mékh. The form bägräk occurs in a Turfan Manichean source. In Arabic script the Turkish title was bag, baḵ, and bāk. ... Through connection with “possessions” the Iranian bāy gave Turkish bai “rich,” whence Mongol bayan “rich.”" (
Harold Walter Bailey in
Baga,
Encyclopaedia Iranica). --
Lysozym (
talk) 11:52, 23 November 2013 (UTC)reply
It looks like you were not able to decode even the ToB source properly. The introduced source in Croation still exists in the text, so what exactly was your point here? That sources in non-English languages are of lower quality, but not if they support Iranic Point Of Views? And where exactly did you see a difference between "to posses" and "to be rich"? And if you go by this extraordinary strange logic why didn't you reverted the entire edit? And last but not least, Iranica is mentioned in the text (as every other academic source has the right to be). So if you intend to downplay any Turkic connotations here, you are out of place. There are left too many questions in your doubtful allegations, hence there was no serious reason to revert. Edit should be maintained. --
Etymologias (
talk) 08:22, 25 November 2013 (UTC)reply
A long answer, but not a single proof for your claim. It is absolutely clear that you are not only pushing for POV, but that you are also falsifying sources. The sources in Croatian simply explain the meaning of "bai" (which you also misspelled as "baj", using the Croatian transliteration), but make no claims about "beg" being derived from "bai".
If your claims were not POV and were a serious claim, you would have absolutely no difficulty in finding a proper scholarly publication in English.
As for Iranica: it is an authoritative scholarly reference work. To disprove Iranica or to add to it, you need to come up with excellent scholarly publications. So, what can you tell about the authors in Croatian?!
Wikipedia is about the quality of sources. Either you come up with an excellent scholarly work (ideally published in English), or you leave this site alone and stop pushing your unscholastic and unencyclopedic POV. Read
WP:SOURCE before further destroying this article. It is clearly stated: When quoting a non-English source (whether in the main text, in a footnote, or on the talk page), a translation into English should always accompany the quote. Translations published by reliable sources are preferred over translations by Wikipedians, but translations by Wikipedians are preferred over machine translations. When using a machine translation of source material, editors should be reasonably certain that the translation is accurate and the source is appropriate. Editors should not use machine translations of non-English sources in contentious articles or biographies of living people. If needed, ask an editor who can to translate it for you. And most important of all: The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and is satisfied by providing a reliable source that directly supports the material. Therefore, your nonsense will be removed until you can come up with a RELIABLE ACADEMIC SOURCE supporting your claim. But we all know that you won't find any ... --
Lysozym (
talk) 08:46, 25 November 2013 (UTC)reply
For the beginning, of course bai/baj/bay shares exactly the same root with bej/bek/beg. In both variations the vowel a/e varies with ~ä/ë/ā. Sometimes it is spoken as BI or BE, as it is in Kyrgyz (if you are interested in it you can read it up in Gerard Clauson: An Etymological Dictionary of Pre-Thirteenth-Century Turkish). The case is that we have 2 word stems in Turkic: BAY ("rich (person), noble; many, numerous; speech, lord") and BEY ("lord, chief"). I hope that you are able to understand at least this point. Secondly, the claim "beg" being derived from "bai" is not needed here, because there are currently existing two different etymological alternatives. So, the etymological starting point for Turkic is defined as "bay" and for Iranic as "beg". This is also the reason why Nişanyan Dictionary separates the two word stems clearly:
the Iranic version:
bey in Nişanyan Dictionary (rooted in Proto-Indo-European)
the Turkic version:
bay in Nişanyan Dictionary (rooted in prehistoric Turkic; the etymological explanations are seconded and completed by The Tower of Babel, an authoritative International Etymological Database Project)
All in all: reliable sources --> directly supporting the material, so it's highly inappropriate to accuse me of "source-falsification". In addition, the two online papers of Iranica (BAGA & BEG) are clearly confirming the coherency between those word stems. Maybe even the Turco-Mongol title bagatur shares the same root, but yet not for sure etymologized. --
Etymologias (
talk) 18:24, 25 November 2013 (UTC)reply
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Turkic isn't Indo-European, so I wouldn't ask but for the possibility of borrowing from nearby Persians or other Indo-Europeans. Is there any chance that "beylik" is, by some very long route, the same word as "bailiwick", which would make a "bey" the same thing as a "bailiff"?
2604:2000:1383:8B0B:103:D4DB:AD9A:6C92 (
talk) 21:16, 9 August 2020 (UTC)Christopher L. Simpsonreply
Merge proposal
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
The result of this discussion was merged. Largely
WP:SILENCE and one support, no other comments.
Aintabli (
talk) 05:39, 27 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Bey is clearly the same title as
Baig. These should be merged. On another note, it might be moved depending on which one is more common because I'm confident "baig" is not a common spelling, and "bey" is largely used in Turkish.
Aintabli (
talk) 21:07, 18 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Well, it has been more than a month. So, no one disagrees?
Aintabli (
talk) 21:30, 26 December 2023 (UTC)reply
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