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The Devil's Triangle link redirects to the Bermuda Triangle. From what the article says, the Devil's Triangle is on the other side of the Earth. This should be looked into. Is this name synonymous?
No, the Bermuda Triangle and the Devil's Triangle are not the same. The Devil's Triangle is off the coast of Japan, and although they are both Katrina could be dangerous!]] comment was added by 71.131.205.141 ( talk • contribs) 01:32, January 11, 2006 (UTC).
This page is POV. While it true that the legend is just that, a legend, I do not feel it is the job of Wikipedia to make that distinction. All the facts should be presented, and conclusions should be left to the reader. Scooter 06:36, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Yeah, the use of terms such as "ridiculous" is hardly NPOV. This article needs a lot of work. I'll list it on Wikipedia:Cleanup. RickK 06:40, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Anyway, i still think its a great thing to read about! everything mysterious keeps people interested and excited.
Well as we all know that the bermuda triangle causes mysterious dissapearance.It is probably caused by the magnetic field across the atlantic ocean causing all the electronic appliances to malfunction.
The advent of wireless communications, radar, and satellite navigation meant that the unexplained disappearances largely ceased at some point in the 20th Century. The occasional vessel still sinks, but rarely without a trace.
This section would seem to be POV and vague: "at some point" is not at all precise, and glosses over Gian Quasar's 2003 book which contains lists of missing aircraft & vessels which Quasar asserts were researched from various official sources (US Coast Guard, Navy, Air Force etc). Quasar also lists a number of missing vessels from 1999-2001 over at
http://www.bermuda-triangle.org/html/recent_statistics.html (however he notes that the list must be "treated with caution" and mentions a number of reasons for this). The 2005 SCi-Fi channel documentary, too, claims various craft have gone missing since the turn of the 21st Century. The documentary also plays a couple of recordings taken of the final radio calls from aircraft pilots who went missing.. "The advent of wireless communications" certainly does not mean that unexplained disappearances were suddenly a thing of the past -the recordings can lead to speculations, but those aired in the documentary did not contain any specific mention by the pilots that their aircraft was actually in the process of crashing- and yet they are missing and wreckage has either not been found or is inconclusive (swept away by Gulf Stream currents, perhaps?). While suspending judgement on the validity of Quasar's work (I want to examine his book first-hand), his website on the matter and the Sci-Fi Channel's documentary certainly contain some plausible points and should at least be mentioned in the article body to give a more balanced POV. What does everyone think?
Bezapt 15:30, 5 July 2006 (UTC)I don't particularly like the term, but in the interest of NPOV I'm leaving it in. I felt it was in better taste to at least provide a source for the term. An Altavista search gives 17 hits. Skeptic's Dictionary is the only one that appeared to claim copyright to the page containing the term (SD claims copyright to all content on the site). So that's the one I'm citing, but it is of course possible that someone else coined the term first... Charm 22:49, Nov 12, 2004 (UTC)
I don't think this is a sound theory. First, even though methane is "lighter" than air at sea level, if large quantities are to be released, it will rise until the it reaches an altitude where it shares the same density than air. This, therefore, will not affect the lift of the aeroplane, or any instrumentation, including altimeter (which operates based on ambient pressure, not so much air pressure).
What may be harmful, is that large quantity is released, and is mixed with air at a proportion that is combustable. The engine of the plane (as well as lightening) may set it off. This, however, is highly unlikely, as constant bulk air movement will always make sure that the mixture is too lean to burn. -- Bart weisser 23:01, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
The bubble of methane idea has been used to explain the finding of a disappeared trawler in the North Sea. the ship, which had been lost for several years, was found upright and undamaged on the sea bed. It has been postulated that a bubble of methane, perhaps disturbed by a minor quake, rose into the water, churning into a foam which would be unable to support a ship's weight. Totnesmartin 21:36, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
A better map showing where exactly the Bermuda Triangle is would be useful
I made a better map for the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.82.9.83 ( talk • contribs) 03:17, July 17, 2005 (UTC).
I rewrote part of the intro, the bit about the Dennis's Triangle. I also made a few minor edits, and added some information about the "spinning compasses" and their explanations. I added "Scientific explanations" to help organize the lower parts, and changed the broken image [[Image:Marine Sulphur Queen.pdf]] to the appropriate metawiki upload link. PDF is not an image filetype, and we don't need to make broken image links that just refer to a working link. (See the link at Image:Marine Sulphur Queen.pdf) -- Fourthgeek 03:42, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
Why does this article link to Devil's Triangle, which is a redirect to this page? Should there be two separate articles? Ojw 18:24, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Also, if the Devil's Sea were on the "opposite side of the Earth" it would be somewhere near the south-west coast of Australia. Or if you're talking the opposite side of the same hemisphere, that'd be somewhere in mainland China. I'm removing the "opposite" claim. OliverL 04:01, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
"... simply disappeared, an account which isn't entirely true."
"Unfortunatly Columbes died on 2007."
Watch the language people. Profanity is considered vandalisim according to Wikipedia policies. Martial Law 22:56, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Also, the altimeter of planes (the instrument that measures the altitude) functions on the density of air [Not true, it functions on pressure. Density is irrelevant to altitude, except at very great heights, and even then, it makes an insignificant difference].
Mark 1 01:44, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
The information about the torpedo bomber is incorrect. The Avenger weighed five tons empty and would sink like a rock.
Critical to understanding what may have happened is that the flight leader thought he was over the Florida Keys. It has been proposed he mistook one of the islands for the Keys but that is a stunning mistake. They had not been in the air long enough to have flown from the bombing range to the Keys and they were flying away from the keys. Radio traffic and a fisherman's sightings established that they performed the bombing practice.
The problem and radio messages happened after that first turn they should have been flying roughly north toward the second turn then south west back toward Ft Lauderdale.
There have been other mental events on military missions, scientific expeditions, and space flights (Soyuz 21).
L K Tucker 06:16, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Mental Events on scientific expeditions, http://visionandpsychosis.net/Astronauts_Insanity.htm
Flight 19
http://visionandpsychosis.net/Flight19.htm
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.211.73.175 ( talk • contribs) .
I saw a special a couple weeks ago that suggested they might have ended up in the Okefenokee swamp. It's as plausible as anything else. - PK9 09:34, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
== Insert March 20,2006 out of order == The swamp sighting mention by PK9, involved a radar sighting that was never confirmed. They should have been out of gas by the time of the sighting. I will be posting a map on the Flight 19 page at VisionAndPsychosis.Net use any link above.
L K Tucker 68.211.73.143 20:06, 20 March 2006 (UTC) ________________________
Added a para from the Flight 19 article to give more depth to the enrty. Incidentally, the subheading says 'famous incidents' (plural), but only this one is mentioned. Can anyone add moer? PiCo 10:43, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
These were the real word that were said, only he was murdered by some assasins " It's all a big lie'" the rest is covered in blood. Though many deny this. they say it was riped and the murderers forgot to rip or burn the rest. please take this seriosly. - mr.X - —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.93.21.34 ( talk • contribs) 20:34, December 13, 2005 (UTC).
I have questions, which i think of them as importants Qs to be asked.please anyone with an answer, reply giveing details where possible.
Q1 : Aside from those trips ( flights and sea voyages) mentioned to disappear in that region, are there any other flights or sea trips that actually passed through the bermuda triangle ??? i mean, if we have boats, ships and planes going thruogh the region and out of it and not " disappearing" then there is no mistery.
Q2 : a friend told me that there are no "airlines trip routes" passing over the region... is this true??? if its true, then its weird...
Q3 : some say the region is in bad weather 24/7, is this true?? are there any satellite pics of the region.( normal pics or those special ones showing the weather conditions) ? - mr_iraqii 29/12/05
I don't think it's bad weather 24/7. The Bermuda Triangle is a little big. It seems fine right now. For satellite loops, try the "Northwest Atlantic Imagery" or "West Atlantic Imagery" at http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/trop-atl.html . -- AySz88^ - ^ 16:37, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.20.34.16 ( talk • contribs) .
It's a trangular shaped prism, for fuck's sake! if the planes disappeared and they were in sky then it has to be a prism!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.84.228.7 ( talk • contribs) 09:13, January 18, 2006 (UTC).
Added in the loss of the Star Tiger. If anyone has a satisfactory explanation of the event, please contact the Civil Air Ministry of Bermuda...they'll no doubt welcome the update to their records. Information on the disappearance sourced from Into the Bermuda Triangle, by Gian J. Quasar, copyright 2004. -- Chr.K. 01:41, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Information entered at the beginning of the article is based on source of Into the Bermuda Triangle, ibid., the information mostly original by the author. To possible accusations of bias, the author in question has made the allegation that those who dismiss the seeming science-defying history of the "Triangle" region (more accurately describable as the region near the Sargasso Sea) are those who are biased. Food for thought, at least. -- Chr.K. 07:57, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
First up, I wanna address the recent additions about the Star Tiger. so YES this incident is important and as yet unsolved. But this is seemingly (in my opinion at least) the only genuinely baffling and unexplainable incident so far - all the others have plausible explanations attached to them. So lets just say for the sake of the argument that Star Tiger's dissapearance was due to paranormal causes. This makes the case of the Star Tiger interesting, but it DOES NOT, IN ANY WAY imply that the bermuda triangle is a paranormal region. If you also assume that all other incidents from the region are non-paranormal (not an unreasonable assumption IMO) then this becomes an isolated paranormal event with no relationship to the geographical area.
So, I feel that the Star Tiger case should be part of the article. However I feel that more emphasis should be put on the fact that this is the only case that really is a mystery, and that overall the statistics still show nothing overly weird about the area.
As for the article overall, its a mess. The hypotheses about methane and suchlike need to be clarified as just that - hypotheses. The article seems to give them undue credibility IMO. Also the order of the article is all wrong - the start of the article essentially rubbishes the idea that the region is paranormal, but then you read into the bit concerning Star Tiger and suddenly the article implies that the region is highly paranormal!!! This is all wrong, the important caes should be repositioned. Also I feel a conclusion should be written summing up the facts - i.e. that the area's reputation for being paranormal is largely media hype and speculation based on poor research with the exception of one case, and that hence the interesting stuff is all to do with star tiger, NOT the bermuda triangle.
Well there you have it, discuss! -- wilhen01 01:13, 26 March 2006
I think this article desparately needs citations, particularly in these two sections:
-the methane flatulence section needs to either cite the proofs or the theories, or needs to be rewritten/editted out. The linked wikipedia article does not discuss these hypotheses or proofs whatsoever.
-The Star Tiger section needs references. Italicising text is not enough. Quoted texted in general always needs sourcing. 144.136.70.240 10:41, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Did anyone here forget that a rescue plane dissappeared while a massive search for the other planes was well underway ? This is in Charles Berlitz's book as well. I have a copy of this book. The plane actually vanished. It did not crash, it just vanished. Martial Law 09:52, 1 April 2006 (UTC) :)
[Removed] Please refrain from using gibberish and/or foul language.
The Bermuda Triangle also known as the Devil's Triangle stirs up fear in many people because of its natorious reputation. Its notoiety beganin the mid-year nineteenth century, when there were mysteriously abandoned ships found. In 1945, a training squandron of five US navy bombers disappeared. The squandron of fourteen crewmen went missing after radioing a series of distress message and later a seaplane sent in search of the squandron also vanished as it went missing. Since then there were many reports on missing aircrafts and ships around the area.VVVVEEEERRRRYYYY CCCCRRRREEEEAAAAPPPPYYYY!
Scientific evaluations of the Bermuda Triangle have concluded that the number of disappearences in the reigion is not abnormal and that most of the have logical explanations. However, many people still assosiate the Bermuda Triangle with death and mystery. There are many explanations that link to the tragedies. Some proposed that the cause is an action of physical forces unknown to science while others think there is a hole in the sky above the area. Some other theorists said that the cause is an unusual chemical component in the region's seawater. The most popular belief is thatthe missing people were abducted by extraterrestrial beings.
Please see "Criticism of Lawrence Kusche" below. Rikstar 20:05, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
In the Charles Berlitz's book concerning the Bermuda Triangle, there is a drawn map of this planet that indicates 12 areas that are equi-distant from each other. Two are on the poles, two are mentioned in the article. I have a copy of the map in my copy of this book. Martial Law 19:33, 6 April 2006 (UTC) :)
Here are their locations:
These areas, like the Bermuda Triangle and the Devil's Sea, located near Japan are known to have bizarre properties. As stated, there are 12 of these areas, one each at the two poles, two already mentioned here, the other 8 are located above according to Charles Berlitz's book concerning this matter, of which I have a copy. Martial Law 19:48, 6 April 2006 (UTC) :)
Where can this be placed in the article ? Martial Law 19:52, 6 April 2006 (UTC) ':)
Here is your invite to a organization that is set up by Wikipedians, for Wikipedians who have had bizarre experiences, investigate these matters. It is called Wikipedia:Paranormal Watchers. Martial Law 20:34, 6 April 2006 (UTC) :)
I saw a demonstration on television where a boat was actually sunk by experimenters who pumped air through a perforated hose, making bubbles like one of those "methane burps". This would probably be a good addition to the article if I could recall where I saw it. HTH HAND — Phil | Talk 09:01, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
yah
I just took a look at this article and noticed that there are no sources within it. Why not? I think it would hold a lot more water, even water containing methane hydrate! 211.72.233.2 11:53, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Couple of weeks back I watched a program about Triangle at Discovery Science TV channel, although it was interesting, but an image shown just for a second or two got my focused intention with looked something like "oLLII". I've made that in JPEG but can't add in this comment. It was actuallt about the rock tracks formed within the triangle. I'll really appericiate if someone else could verify this also or guide me how to get it confirmed from the Discovery TV, as they don't give any email to communicate with them. As I beleive that It was so, based upon this I may have some extra to say... possibilities and new theories... Many Thanks from Ajmal Khan.
Same as me I have watched a show about the triangle and it is so freaky, but the famillys need to focus more on how the familly member went down.So then when they do they probaly can know how to get them back and know how they went down .If it was my familly member I would be terified but it is all up to you.
well i think that the bermuda triangle theorory is okay. but the air density would wouldn't affect the density oin the air so how does it affect the aeroplanes. where is the bermuda tringle? where do people believe it is ?
It is said, that there is a similiar area in Alaska, where also ominous disappearance occur.
http://www.zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/18/0,1872,2036850,00.html
http://www.zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/17/0,1872,2036849,00.html
http://www.check-six.com/lib/Famous_Missing/Boggs.htm
Totnesmartin 00:04, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Can water vapor (As in mist and fog) conduct electricity, static or otherwise? And if it can, is it still capable of putting off an intense enough magnetic field to foul up a compass and/or electronic devices? if so, could the "Electronic fog" a reality? I mean, if the Triangle has a large amount of electricity, static or conventional, it could FUBAR the instruments and lead them over land or wherever they crashed, and with the theory of debris dispersion, the wreckage could have gone everywhere. Please get back 2 me ASAP.
"The Triangle marks a special condom from South Africa to prevent AIDS."
I'm afraid I don't understand how that's at all relevant.
Matthias Lightbane has recently found, that if you switch the earth's regular poles with it's magnectic poles and move the latitude and logitude lines so that they correspond with the magnectic poles, the bermuda triangle and the devil's sea are on the same line of latitude directly opposite of each other on the globe!—Preceding unsigned comment added by User:Matthias Lightbane ( talk • contribs)