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Page is now finished. Vidor ( talk) 16:50, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Some clean up may be in order as the tone of the article seems to be in the form of a narrative than an dry examination of the facts. 168.244.164.254 ( talk) 18:53, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
Was the weapon used a pistol or a revolver? The caption on the first picture says a revolver is being concealed, where as the section on the assassin states a pistol was used. Which was it? Whippen ( talk) 12:07, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
From what I know of a Revolver is a pistol.(Mr. Smart Guy) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.3.8.129 ( talk) 03:14, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
It says that an Iver Johnson revolver was used and is on display. If you look it says so on the Iver Johnson page.-Anonymous —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.130.91.231 ( talk • contribs)
According to Vincent Bugliosi, in his "Reclaiming History" on JFK's assassination, Kennedy's assassination was not the first assassination of an American president to be captured on film while being assassinated, McKinley was. In fact, he says there are TWO films which captured the sequence. Is anyone aware of these films? Canada Jack ( talk) 17:56, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
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According to a Polish historian, Casimir Zeglen, inventor of bulletproof vest, offered vest to McKinley two weeks before McKinley's assassination but was turned down by McKinley's personal secretary (who was supposedly in charge of security). This is the Youtube video with English subtitles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo8Ww1NdoyY
And one vest was also offered to Teddy Roosevelt, according to the same historian.
-- Kschang77 ( talk) 08:39, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
As I didn't peer review this article, I am listing a few points here which I believe require some attention. They are generally very minor and not worth crowding out the FAC page:-
These few issues should soon be sorted out. Brianboulton ( talk) 17:44, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
"*Having long been an advocate of protective tariffs, and believing the Dingley Tariff, passed during his first year in office, had helped the nation reach prosperity, McKinley planned to negotiate reciprocal trade agreements with other countries."
Hello - Could we discuss the removal of these links? I think that both are quite relevant, and are of benefit to those who would like to learn more about this topic.
Thanks, I'm interested to see everyone's thoughts on this. KConWiki ( talk) 03:29, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
this is in the intro - "anarchism, a political philosophy whose adherents had killed foreign leaders. " - not sure that killing leaders is the essence or anarchism; and not sure it has anything to do with foreign leaders in particular... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.234.19.47 ( talk) 07:09, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
To me the wording "The 25th President of the United States, William McKinley, was assassinated on September 6, 1901" is a little odd as McKinley only died several days later. Wouldn't "shot and fatally wounded on September 6" be better? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.102.254.132 ( talk) 20:32, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
What is the deal with this decision? We think it's a good idea to delete almost all the material dealing with the man who succeeded to the office when Roosevelt died? And additionally, why were the photos of the Buffalo monument and the stone marking the Temple of Music deleted? Vidor ( talk) 15:44, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
[This is my first time adding to a talk page.] If Roosevelt is to be kept in the article, the reason for his being in Vermont should be corrected. Regarding "Meanwhile, Vice President Roosevelt (who had been on a Vermont vacation),...," Vice President Roosevelt was in Vermont upon invitation during a speaking tour to address the Vermont Fish and Game League at their annual meeting. He was not there on vacation. http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/31033 http://ilmpt.org/wp/?page_id=815 https://books.google.com/books?id=E6glXcvAXjgC&pg=PA60&lpg=PA60&dq=roosevelt+to+speak+at+vermont+fish+and+game+league&source=bl&ots=ZdkXsDvwMM&sig=xF2IbDHNA164fsQGyaIbC8ZDv8w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjc--CS4eTVAhXDLyYKHapvBPUQ6AEISTAH#v=snippet&q=On%206%20September%2C&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=IYBDAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA791&lpg=PA791&dq=roosevelt+to+speak+at+vermont+fish+and+game+league&source=bl&ots=IOh2MOVE6u&sig=bM5j7JCgwu1Z6sFWvsdf2msotTc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjc--CS4eTVAhXDLyYKHapvBPUQ6AEIRjAG#v=onepage&q=roosevelt%20to%20speak%20at%20vermont%20fish%20and%20game%20league&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=d4cUAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA436&lpg=PA436&dq=roosevelt+to+speak+at+vermont+fish+and+game+league&source=bl&ots=uraG6ZEw6L&sig=nAMCWHTk2E-JJ21rjUmP7oaj79k&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjc--CS4eTVAhXDLyYKHapvBPUQ6AEITDAI#v=onepage&q=roosevelt%20to%20speak%20at%20vermont%20fish%20and%20game%20league&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=Q0I5AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA363&lpg=PA363&dq=roosevelt+to+speak+at+vermont+fish+and+game+league&source=bl&ots=4sBPnk62xg&sig=TJtSCcuHGuAiWHTJDoCnX0CSzHg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjc--CS4eTVAhXDLyYKHapvBPUQ6AEITzAJ#v=onepage&q=roosevelt%20to%20speak%20at%20vermont%20fish%20and%20game%20league&f=false Kind regards, Wondering Eyes ( talk) 03:14, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
This article is not a neutral. It fails to mention that J.P. Morgan, Nelson Rockafeller, and Carnegie joined forces to defeat William Jennings Bryan, because William Jennings Bryan ran on a monopoly busting platform. One in ten steel workers died each year working in Carnegie's foundries. Workers were paid starvation wages. The assassin was fired from a company owned by JP Morgan, three months before he killed McKinley. He assassinated McKinley because he correctly believed the Robber Barons had bought the election, that the US ceased being a democracy. McKinley was a wealthy industrialist himself. He was also beholden to J.P. Morgan, Nelson Rockafeller, and Carnegie who had a meeting wherein they decided to "buy" the presidency. They gave McKinley millions of dollars. McKinley was able to outspend William Jennings Brian 5-1. This did not include money the Robber Baron industrialists paid journalists to write articles smearing and slandering William Jennings Brian.
Newspapers wrote if William Jennings Brian were elected president the great industrialists, and the job creators of America would leave the country and close their businesses, that vast numbers of American workers would lose their jobs.
When McKinley was running for president, voting was done in public where everyone could see who voted for who. Voting for one president took place on one side of a street, and voting for another president took place on the other side of the street. Foremen from factories run by the three industrialists monitored the voting. They warned their respective employees they would be fired if they voted for William Jennings Brian.
McKinley's assassination was one of the best things that happened to the US. This information comes from the History Channel documentry, "The Men Who Built America," which generally portrays the "Robber Barons" in a favorable light and flattering terms. "Class-warfare" politician, Teddy Roosevelt, was McKinley's vice-president. The big three industrialists convinced McKinley to appoint Rosevelt his VP, because they throught that would make him irrelevent, and insure that he faded into oblivion.
When McKinley was assasinated their plan backfired. Teddy Roosevelt became president. He busted Rockefeller's Standard Oil, and JP Morgan's railroads. Were it not for McKinley's assasination, Teddy Rosevelt would likely never have become president, and corperations today would be much more powerful than they are. Many historians believe Teddy Roosevelt was the greatest American president. He did a lot to improve the plight of the average American. McKinley turned Abraham Lincoln's party of the people into a party primarily dedicated to buttering the bread, and serving the interests of wealthy Americans. This article makes McKinley sound like a saint, and a politician who represented the common man, when the exact opposite is true. It makes the assassin sound like a crazy anarchist. The assassin may have been an anarchist, but he was driven to his politics by the oppressive practices of his day, by the Robber Barons running the country for their own personal benefit without regard for the welfare of most Americans. This view is historically accurate. But even if you disagree with it, it is still the view of most American historians. This article is not neutral. It only presents the minority view of McKinley supporters. It omits the whole historical background for McKinley's assassination. To dismiss McKinley's assassin as a crazy anarchist distorts reality. This assassin stopped the US from slipping into an outright plutocracy.
It is amazing how the election of 2012 mirrored the election of McKinley. One last point. The French, Russian, and Chinese revolutions were examples of class warfare. Asking the wealthy to pay their fair share is not class warfare. Those who expect the wealthy to pay their fair share do not hate the wealthy, do not begrudge the wealthy their wealth, and do not wish to punish the wealthy. Wealthy American liberals are not hypocrites just because they don't give all their money away. They are willing to pay their fair share so long as all wealthy American pay their fair share. Poor and middle-class Americans do not expect wealthy American liberals to unilaterially pay higher taxes. Warfare imlies people die. Believe it or not, wealthy Americans do not die just because they have to pay more taxes. Poor Americans do die from lack of medical care when wealthy Americans do not pay their fair share. Hospital emergency rooms do not treat poor Americans with chronic diseases like diabetes, kidney failure, herniated disks, chronic pain, high blood pressure, heart disease, and cancer until it is too late late. Hospital emergency rooms only treat emergency conditions. Five of my closest friends died because they could not afford medical treatment. Wealthy Americans like President McKinley, JP Morgan, Nelson Rockefeller waged class warfare against poor Americans, which were the vast majority of Americans in their day. There was no middle-class to speak of. Wealthy industrialists had their henchman murder American workers when they protested and begged for a living wage. Industrialists murdered American workers in their factories and mines by failing to maintain a safe working conditions. No wealthy American ever died from paying higher taxes.
It does no good to send me messages. I don't know how to access my "talk page." I generally refrain from commenting on Wikipedia articles no matter how egregous their mistakes due to bad experiences with the Wikipedia community in the past. I found the Wikipedia community to be a cliquish, back-biting, snakepit. I therefore choose not to read any messages from members of the Wikipedia community. I further choose not to have any interaction with them.
I felt compelled to write this response to this article. I'm sure no member of the Wikipedia community is competent to evaluate my claim, nor does the Wikipedia community really care that so many Wikipedia articles are biased. Wikipedia is a game where truth loses out to players who have lots of time on their hands, and mastery of arcane Wikipedia rules.
"Assassination of William McKinley is a featured article; it has been identified as one of the best articles produced by the Wikipedia community."
This really speaks volumes about the quality of Wikipedia articles, and their suppossed neutrality.
The article claims Czolgosz's motive was to futher the cause of anarchists. His real motive stemmed from his losing his job at a JP Morgan factory. He knew McKinley represented the interests of JP Morgan and his fellow industrialists. His objective was to rid the country of a president who was elected under questionable circumstances, who represented the interests of JP Morgan, and who didn't really care about the average American worker. It is quite likely he wanted Theodore Roosevelt to come to power. McKinley was elected in 1897 when most states did not have secret ballots, where voters could be intimidated. Bryan gave speeches prior to the election of 1897 where he specifically claimed if he was elected, he would being going after JP Morgan, Carnegie, and Rockefeller. That is why those three banded together to buy the presidency. They feared waht William Jennings Bryan would do if he were elected.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.254.210.8 ( talk) 07:50, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
Czolgosz's motive was not to advance an anarchism. We know he was fired from his job three months prior to the assissination. We know he worked for a factory owned by JP Morgan. We know JP Morgan admitted to buying the election, and placing his man in the White House. This information comes from the History Channel documentry, "The Men Who Built America," which generally portrays the "Robber Barons" in a favorable light and flattering terms. This same History Channel documentry stated workers on a wholesale basis were intimidated from voting their preferance because they had to vote in the open. McKinley was elected under questionable circumstances. American democracy had been hijacked. Wehwalt is entitled to his opinion, but his opinion is not the majority opinion of historians. There is no need to theorize why Czolgosz shot McKinley. It is patently obvious. The article presents Wehwalt's point of view. It does not present the point of view of the History Channel and most historians. The article makes McKinley sound like a good president, and his assassin sound like an irrational nut job, when in fact Czolgosz had a legitimate cause to assassinate McKinley. The Robber Barons were squeezing the American populice. They had created monopolies. Work conditions in their factories and founderies were intolerable. Workers were dying left and right from hazardous work conditions. When workers protested their work conditions they were shot dead. Then JP Morgan, Rockefeller, and Carnegie conspired to rig the election so McKinley won. This effectively turned American citizens into slave laborers. These conditions typically lead to revolt, revolution, and political upheaval. Czolgosz act was not irrational. Clearly he was motivated to kill McKinley because he lost his job, and had no means to survive. If Czolgosz had not lost his job, it is very unlikely he would have killed McKinley. If JP Morgan, Rockefeller, and Carnegie had not successfully rigged the election, it is doubtful Czolgosz would have killed McKinley. JP Morgan, Rockefeller, and Carnegie decision to buy a US president was not a secret. Most Americans reconnize that JP Morgan, Rockefeller, and Carnegie subverted US democracy by their actions. This majority view is not expressed in the article at all. The article omits all of this. The truth casts Czolgosz's assasination of McKinley in a much different light than the one presented in the article. If someone becomes an anarchist because they lose their job, because workers across the US can't find decent work, because they can't afford to live, because they watch the political system of their country hijacked by a handful of wealthy industrialists, it is foolish to say their motivation comes solely from wanting to further the anarchist agenda. This wikipedia article only tells one side. It is therefore not neutral. You are biased, and not neutral. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.254.210.8 ( talk) 09:24, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
This article states that he was born in Detroit (and gives the 1970 book by A. Wesley Johns as its source); the article on Czolgosz himself however has "Alpena, MI" as place of birth - with a fairly precise sounding reference to the Twelth US census (and one to a book published in 1921). I just looked up the census sheet referred to - and it gives the year of birth as 1873, yet under "place of birth" it has "Ohio" and as place of birth for both parents "Germany". Albrecht Conz ( talk) 01:53, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
I have translated this article to Chinese Wikipedia here and promoted to FA status, and I want to thank User:Wehwalt for his effort to write this amazing article. -- Jarodalien ( talk) 08:38, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
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I'd say an image of a marker for the site of a presidential assassination in an article on said assassination is very relevant and should be included. I think that most people would wonder what became of the spot. 173.90.65.191 ( talk) 04:05, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
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There is a photo on the page of McKinley arriving at the Temple of Music, and there is a photo of him inside the building greeting people. Yet the one of him arriving is called the last known photograph. How can this be? Mark Froelich ( talk) 04:38, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
Apparently, some in the family changed their name from "McKinley" to "Kinley" after the assassination. Check out this article on one of his descendants. [1] Does this belong here? I think so, but as its an FA I don't want to jump in without discussion. – Muboshgu ( talk) 17:34, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
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The next to the last sentence of the Operation subsection needs a period after the ellipsis (s/b - "when he was shot by a...."). And the sentence that follows should have its period put inside the quote mark ("anarchist."). 173.90.65.191 ( talk) 03:54, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
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The "perpetrator" part of the infobox at the top of the article includes, in parentheses after Czolgosz's name, his criminal penalty (electrocution). That information is unnecessary and inconsistent with other assassination articles, which do not include such info following the perpetrators' names. Could somebody please remove it? MarcelTheHippie ( talk) 16:59, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
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Fourth paragraph from the top of the page reads:
McKinley died on September 19th, while the sentence written implies that he died on September 14th. This should be changed to accurately reflect his date of death. DanZFLT ( talk) 22:35, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
Can anyone provide a period source for the Myrtle Ledger anecdote, where McKinley is in the Temple of Music, bends down and gives her the flower off his lapel, and moments later, Czolgosz steps up and fires? The earliest print version we could find was from 1984. We could not find it in any of the digitized Buffalo newspapers at Newspapers.com, which includes all of the assassination coverage from 1901. Likewise, if you go to Google images and search on McKinley assassination, you get a decent selection of photos taken the day of his visit, before he stepped into the Temple of Music. None of them show a flower on his lapel.
This is the 1984 article: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=950&dat=19840907&id=s3BIAAAAIBAJ&sjid=0FkDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5729,1452311&hl=en
Bechs ( talk) 22:33, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
CzolgoszWiki ( talk) 08:36, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
CzolgoszWiki ( talk) 08:59, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
Please correct the name of the second source in the External Links section. The title of the source is McKinley Assassination Ink. Thank you very much.
Emma Goldman did not have a daughter. Not sure who she was going to the fair with, but she had no known children. DAH2022 ( talk) 15:06, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
Citation needed got reverted, saying to review the source, but there is no citation for the claim: "By 1901, this movement was feared in the United States – New York's highest court had ruled that the act of identifying oneself as an anarchist in front of an audience was a breach of the peace.". There are citations for the preceding and succeeding completely different claims. As best I can tell, that ruling was after the assassination. At minimum, if there was a case that I have been unable to find evidence of, including its name or any other identifiable information about it would be of great help to readers in the future. Thyrfa ( talk) 02:19, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
In the last paragraph, September is misspelled: "He died at 2:15 am on Spetember 14th". 135.180.144.173 ( talk) 17:50, 3 February 2023 (UTC)