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Elsewhere, we call
pyrrole an aromatic hydrocarbon, linking to this article for an explanation of the term. But the pyrrole ring has only five atoms, and one of them is nitrogen, so by the restrictive definition used here, pyrrole would not qualify as aromatic. Can somebody with more detailed knowledge provide a less restrictive definition that includes pyrrole, or should we drop the claim that pyrrole is an example?
Pyrrole should not be considered an aromatic hydrocarbon. However, I get too many google hits to change it outright. Granted, most of them were probably copied from here, but it's enough to make me want to ask my professor before I change it.
I was wrong. Pyrrole is an aromatic compound. Hückel's rule does apply to five membered rings. The article does mention why Pyrrole is aromatic, but not in a direct way: "...the nitrogen atom's lone electron pair becomes delocalized in the aromatic ring and thus not very accessible to acids", which gives Pyrrole six pi electrons and makes it aromatic.
So, I guess we need to relax the definition we give here in order to agree with standard usage. I'm not qualified to modify the definition — in fact, that's why I was looking at this article in the first place, hoping to find out. If I'm feeling energetic, I'll go out websurfing, looking for likely formalisms; ideally, we want to provide a definition that lets someone distinguish aromatic from non-aromatic compounds 'algorithmically' or 'by rule'.
You sound like you have enough chemical knowlege to change it. A cut and paste from
Hückel's rule with a few tweaks should be enough.
I'm worried about the magic number six, as well. Isn't 1,3,5,7-cyclooctotetraene aromatic? It's got all that pi-resonance going on, and it's got eight pi electrons.
Hückel's rule says that a compound must have 4n + 2 pi electrons to be considered aromatic. With eight pi electrons, 1,3,5,7-cyclooctotetraene would not be aromatic according to Hückel's rule.
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[1]] has an outstanding account, and explains all the important issues. I'm reading some other sources, and maybe I'll get up my nerve to try an edit. Unless one of you good people beats me to it.
The key concept is dramatic stabilization, which manifests itself as resistance to addition reactions (breaking the putative double bonds), and decreased heat of hydrogenation. OK, maybe those two are really the same thing.
I was exactly wrong about cyclooctotetraene, which is not aromatic.
Pyrrole is considered aromatic these days, although its stabilization is not as dramatic as that of benzene.
The article
aromatic has quite a lot of overlap with this one. Read my comment there. I'm thinking this one needs to shrink and donate a lot of its content to the other article. After all, a lot of the stuff here is about aromaticity in general, and not specifically about hydrocarbons. This article could just say, "An aromatic hydrocarbon is simply a
hydrocarbon that is
aromatic. The classic example is
benzene. Other important aromatic hydrocarbons are ..."
The stuff about PAH's should also go to its own article, which would have the cool recent stuff about interstellar PAH's, and pointers to
polycyclic and here for details about the technical nomenclature.
Is one definition more correct than the other? And if the definition of a PAH is the strict one, what is a compound that is aromatic and polycyclic, but has hetero atoms and functional groups called? I'm out of my league with regards to chemical knowledge here, and I don't have any authoritative sources to look it up in at the moment. But it is definitely a conflict among our articles that should be fixed. -
TaxmanTalk 14:34, July 30, 2005 (UTC)
Also, the "simplest PAH" is listed as benzocyclobutene. If the definition is correct, this is not a PAH because it has one aromatic ring and one cyclobutane ring. Am I missing something or does this compound not fit?--
24.16.148.75 04:03, 9 July 2006 (UTC)reply
Benzocyclobutene is fully aromatic, it just showed the wrong structure image.
Cacycle 12:53, 9 July 2006 (UTC)reply
None of the 'simplest PAHs' are PAHs. Benzocyclopropene has a break in conjugation in its correct structure. Benzocyclobutadiene has 8 pi electrons, making it antiaromatic. Benzocyclobutene is an ambiguous name referring to either benzocyclobutane (one aromatic and one nonaromatic ring) or benzocyclobutadiene. Benzocyclopropane contains once aromatic ring and one nonaromatic ring. Note that
Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon makes no mention of the previous four compounds. The simplest true PAHs are napthalene and azulene.
Itoe (
talk) 16:51, 10 March 2009 (UTC)reply
removed - Epistemological caveat:
Removed the following:
[[Epistemological caveat: we need a copernician revolution and do not marvel when any new carbon compound is found somewhere in the universe; most of those molecules are irrelevant for the understanding of the origin of life
- It is essential, when investigating the origin of life, to recognize first the necessary ingrediants, and not to witness simply some form of the ubiquitous presence of carbon containing molecules everywhere in the universe. Carbon is but one of the important components, but it is nothing without nitrogen, oxygen, hydrogen, sulfur and phosphorus. Most aromatics, in living organisms, except for the very evolved forms (and hence far from the origin) are heterocyclic in nature, where nitrogen plays an essential role.
- The role of aromatics will appear at two levels: that of major co-enzymes, the small catalysts of the vast majority of essential biological processes, and that of the building blocks of nucleic acids and proteins. In the latter we are now witnessing data suggesting that the usage of aromatics is much often meant to invent new macromolecules, new proteins with unexpected activities. The "orphan" proteins uncovered in all genome projects - those proteins that do not have significant counterparts elsewhere, excepts in very close kins - are particularly rich in aromatic amino acids, and this appears to be a uneversal rule of in silico proteomics.
As it seemed out of place. But, after rereading the section PAHs and the origins of life, perhaps it fits, if so replace it.
Vsmith 01:12, 1 August 2005 (UTC)reply
Requested move 23 September 2020
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requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
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The result of the move request was: page moved. ɴᴋᴏɴ21❯❯❯talk 16:29, 8 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Aromatic hydrocarbon →
Aromatic compound – This page contains a lot of content (reactions and structures) on aromatic compounds that are not aromatic hydrocarbons, which depending on definition may include heteroatoms in the aromatic ring, but not as substituents (functional groups). Some stricter definitions would use the term to refer only to those compounds containing only C and H atoms. Thus, I think a broader title is needed, which would allow the page to serve as a general overview of aromatic compounds, even if there remains a focus on reactions of the aromatic ring specifically. Subsequent to the move, some content at
aromaticity on types of aromatic compounds could be
moved into this article, leaving that page to focus on the concept and theory of aromaticity. The article
Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons also exists which encompasses many aromatic hydrocarbons. There is also the article
Aryl with some content overlap that should be better integrated with these other articles.
Mdewman6 (
talk) 21:33, 23 September 2020 (UTC) —Relisting.SITH(talk) 12:47, 1 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Support, but the overlap between this page and
aromaticity should be cleaned up regardless. And redirects like
aromatics fixed accordingly.
Srnec (
talk) 22:19, 1 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Remove Benzene ring model"
Maybe controversial. I am planning remove the section == Benzene ring model ==. Redundant with
benzene and with
aromaticity. Some redundancy is inevitable though.--
Smokefoot (
talk) 18:10, 23 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Needs a section about non-
benzenoid aromatic compounds