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The section on the 1998 trial is not comprehensive and seems to contain very random information. I think we need to focus on improving this section and making it more complete. Monkeyassault ( talk) 00:16, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
There seem to be way too many sections that do not appear to all have rational titles or flow that makes sense. Monkeyassault ( talk) 00:41, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
Shall we move the 2008 trial to the top? Having the events run in chronological order makes a lot of sense but so does putting the most recent info a the top as most people will come here in order to get info on the second trial. How should we handle this? Monkeyassault ( talk) 05:16, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
The overwhelming level of detail and increasing length of this page are troubling. The detail, such as including tweets, seems to me to run into the problem of WP:NOTNEWS. The subject of the article is a WP:BLP and the very controversial and even speculative nature of this article concerns me. Even without that, I think the essay WP:TLDR should be considered. I posted a request for an opinion about this article on WP:BLP/N but so far no one has responded. Before I look at how to perhaps streamline this article, I am interested in hearing from others working on this page intend for this article to do. Maybe then I can contribute to it meaningfully. -- Spinosaurus aegyptiacus ( talk) 17:41, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
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The accuser's surname/patronymic is a little confusing. The article refers to him as 'Saiful' which doesn't seem to make sense as a complete name, but I don't speak Melayu... Perhaps a Melayu speaker can comment on whether "Saiful" makes sense by itself in Malaysia.
'Saiful' is Arabic for "Sword of the..." and in Arabic is invariably followed by a noun; it's incomplete as a name without the noun. For example "Saiful Diin" "Sword of the Faith", or "Saiful Islam", etc... The alleged sodomee's name is apparently "Saiful Bukhari" which, somewhat confusingly/amusingly means "Sword of the Steamy One", or more likely "Sword of the Guy From Bukhar".
Shouldn't he be cited as Saiful Bukhari rather than just Saiful? -- jackbrown ( talk) 10:07, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
The information about technical intelligence establishing his 2008 activities is in the 'international reactions' section, because that intelligence was gathered and analysed by non-Malaysia sources. Is there any case for it to be fit in some other part?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.151.54.162 ( talk • contribs)
List of objections can be found in various edit summaries:
And frankly, dealing with an editor who made this glorious edit makes me sick and is a waste of any neutral and impartial editor's time. — Yk Yk Yk talk ~ contrib 06:19, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
The term "sodomy" does not relate to any particular activity and is too broad in meaning to be of any encyclopedic value. The exact (alledged?) criminal acts should be clearly defined, and it should also be pointed out how such acts are criminal in Malaysia, as definitions and legislation concerning acts that may be labelled as sodomy by no means are universal. If this case involves homosexual activity, it should be clearly stated, as that in major parts of the world is not labelled "sodomy" and is not illegal, whereas sexual intercourse with animals, and rape, may be. Jono799 ( talk) 23:56, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
International human rights commentators have condemned the country's 20 year prison sentence, and lashings, for sodomy, and this case highlights pre-existing criticism of the sodomy law. @ Mkativerata: has removed the see also section with it's link LGBT rights in Malaysia, because they believed it suggested Anwar Ibrahim is LGBT.
Human Rights Watch "This is the fourth time Anwar has been charged under section 377 of the penal code, a law that discriminates against lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people. The article has been invoked only seven times since 1938, according to research by the Women’s Candidacy Initiative. The willingness of successive Malaysian governments to use the law repeatedly against one high-profile political opponent highlights the danger it poses so long as it remains on the books, Human Rights Watch said.
“By persisting in its political vendetta using section 377, the government is also denigrating Malaysia’s LGBT community,” Robertson said. “Using an archaic and discriminatory law in order to score political points shows Prime Minister Najib’s encouragement of intolerance under his rule.”"
HRW does not suggest that Anwar is LGBT, but suggests that the law is mostly used politically, and should be repealed because it is discriminatory to LGBT people anyway. The link to LGBT rights in Malaysia is relevant and DUE, and should be included in a way that does not suggest that Anwar is LGBT -- Aronzak ( talk) 10:56, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
I was flabbergasted that the government could appeal when the defendant is found innocent. Was this due to some legal technicality? __ 209.179.46.224 ( talk) 19:39, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
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