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I'm not familiar with the term inaucurated, or aucurated for that matter, and I don't see any other wiki references to it. Could someone more knowledgable than me please eludicate on this term? 198.200.181.205 23:17, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The word "inaucurated" was replaced in this article some time ago.-- PeterR 5 July 2005 22:15 (UTC)
Can anyone give references for the claim made by the anonymous contributor 198.103.167.20 that Amillennialism is "the official position of the Roman Catholic Church". I have added a link to a page that gives some support to this but suggests that the Roman Catholic Church, whilst it adopts a position which is basically amillennial, has not made an official statement on postmillennialism or amillennialism, only against premillennialism (millenarianism).-- PeterR 5 July 2005 22:15 (UTC)
I think part of the confusion here is that Amilleniaism and Postmillenalism are both descendents of the same view. -- If I knew how to sig I would.
Wouldn't most other mainstream Christian groups be amillennialist? Eastern Orthodox, Anglican, Lutheran, Reformed, and so forth? Should they be mentioned alongside Catholicism? john k 05:47, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
You are right to ask. Eastern Orthodox Church is amillennialist and I added this into the article. Maybe I will make some category too.-- Agapornis 15:53, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I think that since Amillennialism was taught by St. Augustine of Hippo, The Roman Catholic Church is Amillenialist as well.-- Agapornis 15:53, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
The Lutheran Confessions are explicitly amillenialist, but I would doubt the Reformed should be considered Amillenialist because the bulk of the debate over pre-,post-millenialism has taken place among them.-- FidesetRatio 16:50, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Disbelief in the Rapture is not an identifying trait because, historically, belief in the Rapture has not been an identifying trait of premillennialism. Goldfritha 01:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
It seems that the identification of Amillennialism with Idealism is inaccurate. Whereas Idealists would interpret all of the prophesies in the Apocalypse of St. John as being symbolic--a great mythological and instructive drama, not meant to be taken literally--Amillennialists believe in the actual litteral reality of the prophesies (i.e., there will be an actual person known as the "Beast"/Antichrist), but disagree with Millennialists about how those prophesies will be fulfilled in history (the Kingdom of Heaven is among us now; not a future, temporary, earthly kingdom). MishaPan 13:26, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I can really only speak from the point of view of traditional Eastern Orthodox theology, which is very definitely not preterist. The best source in English that I can find right now is Orthodox Dogmatic Theology by Protopresbyter Michael Pomazansky (Tr. Hieromonk Seraphim Rose, Saint Herman of Alaska Brotherhood, Platina, CA, 1984). This book is used as a textbook in at least one major Orthodox Seminary in America (Holy Trinity Seminary, Jordanville, NY). Chapter 10 is devoted to Christian Eschatology. Father Michael states concerning the antichrist: "[I]n a particular sense, "Antichrist" signifies a definite person--the adversary of Christ who is to appear before the end of the world." (p.336). He then goes on to quote II Thes. 2:3-11 as pertaining to the qualities and actions of this particular individual who is to come. While acknowledging that some early Christian teachers (Papias of Hieropolis, St. Justin Martyr, Irenaeus) did espouse millennialist ideas (chiliasm), the consensus of the Holy Fathers is that there will be no temporary Kingdom of Christ (St. Dionysios of Alexandria, St. Basil the Great, St. Gregory the Theologian, St. Epiphanios, and St. Jerome--none of whom can be classified as preterists, or even partial preterists). Father Michael says, "If it was at one time possible to express chiliastic ideas as private opinions, this was only until the Ecumenical Church expressed its judgment about this. But when the Second Ecumenical Council (381), in condemning all the errors of Apollinarius, condemned also his teaching of the thousand-year reign of Christ and introduced into the very Symbol of the Faith [i.e., the Nicene Creed] the words concerning Christ: And His Kingdom will have no end--it became no longer permissible at all for an Orthodox Christian to hold these opinions." (p. 344. Emphasis in the original). St. Augustine, also, in The City of God, XX, 7-9, combats chiliastic teachings. MishaPan 06:09, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Regarding the unsourced allegation that literalists accuse amillennialists of over-spiritualizing the Bible, I could find only this chart, which lists as one of the dangers of amill (and postmill) theology as "Over-spiritualize O.T.", while a danger of dispensational premill is given as "over-spiritualize N.T." I've also read a book by Gary DeMar, which adopts an amillennial theology from a literalist perspective. If no one can find a source for the allegation that literalists are opposed to amillennialism, I'm going to remove it. Aardvark92 23:39, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, I'll grant that's certainly an example of a literalist accusing amillennialists of overspiritualizing. At the other end of the spectrum is literalist Gary DeMar's book End Times Fiction, which claims the premillennialists are the ones who are overspiritualizing the Bible. I guess what I'm objecting to is the blanket statement, "Those who take a strictly literalistic view accuse amillennialists of over-spiritualizing parts of the Bible," which I don't think is true of all literalists. Aardvark92 06:38, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
I note that this talk is pretty old now...but that the section is still without a single reference. It should therefore be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Three6t ( talk • contribs) 08:51, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
In the Catholic Church there is a feast day called Christ the King. Some dissidents who claim they are amillenialists at one point in the 20th century criticized the Feast day because they felt that having Christ as King of the Church and the World was too political and millenial. The conservative position, while remaining firmly amillenialist, sees nothing wrong with a kingly social reign, as it is noted in the letter Quas Primas. The article should maybe explore the various currents of amillenial thought instead of entirely framing the debate on millenialists vs. amillenialists, which is likely not subtle enough. ADM ( talk) 16:56, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Um, wasn't B.B. Warfield a postmillenialist? That's what I've read everywhere it mentions his views... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.65.212.69 ( talk) 17:41, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Since this article is dealing with the different branches of the Christian church, we should keep the "Roman Catholic Church" designation, rather than the modern shorthand "Catholic Church". The "Catholic Church", historically, can be used to designate the entire Christian tradition, with "Roman Catholic Church" designating the specific tradition that is different from the Eastern Orthodox and Protestant branches.-- Lyonscc ( talk) 14:43, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
Yes please keep it Roman Catholic Church. The Eastern Orthodox Christians also are know as Eastern Orthodox Catholic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.192.45.152 ( talk) 01:14, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Should the final paragraph describing a viewpoint of E Michael Jones be here at all? Putting aside whether he is a credible source, a view that the millennium (The Rule of Christ) ran from 410 to 1410 and was therefore a literal time period puts this view outside of amillennialism. You might argue that this paragraph would add to the article on post-millennialism but it does nothing here. Unless anyone has any objections, I will remove it. Three6t ( talk) 09:38, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
The given citation does not prove "he was amillennial", but that in fact he was opposed to Cerinthus who held this teaching. I will remove him from the article if I do not receive a reply within a few days. The Cake 2 ( talk) 03:19, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
On August 8, I removed the mention of Dionysius altogether. User:Lyonscc reverted that change on August 11. Today I initially reverted his change. I then discovered that the information is in fact correct. I therefore returned the sentence about Dionysius, with a correction to the referenced chapter. Sorry for the confusion! The Cake 2 ( talk) 08:48, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
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I have a question that was not referred to or I missed it, having to do with the 2 Witnesses in Daniel 9:27.. In Daniel the 2 witnesses are to be here at the beginning of the beginning of the tribulation period and preach for 1260 days. Where do these 2 witnesses come in to play for amillennialist?
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The first paragraph of this article should be made clearer. Eg it says “Amillennialists interpret the thousand years symbolically…” but it hasn’t explained yet what “the thousand years” refers to. Ascendingrisingharmonising ( talk) 15:20, 13 April 2022 (UTC)