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Like COP663 i'm noit a huge fan of the original name 'American-British' as I've never really seen or heard it used. Not sure that 'American Migration to Britain' covers it either - the article is actually about people with American descent, rather than a population movement per se. How about 'Britons with American Ancestory'. Lets discuss it a little before making a move. Indisciplined ( talk) 19:26, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Erm....what exactly is the point of stating the ethnicity of the notable people. It's crept in somewhere, and I can't see why. Indisciplined ( talk) 12:06, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Even worse..... What is the point of categorizing notable people by ethnicity? And the notable people section mixes people with history about the ethnic group in the UK. It's all very bad, and I would have started cleaning it up, time permitting, but it does not. Rklahn ( talk) 18:27, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
I moved the Union Flag to infront of the USA flag as it should come first. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.69.200.23 ( talk) 19:22, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
I am going over the Life in the UK test, and it is saying that one of the largest groups to enter the UK during the 1980s were Americans. Why the 1980s? Did something happen during that time period that I don't know about? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.74.179.78 ( talk) 21:36, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Recent edits have added a sub-groups section to the article. This whole section is problematic for a number of reasons. Firstly, a substantial proportion of the material added is not about Americans in the UK but Americans in general. An example of this is "Native Americans are the oldest ethnic group in the United States and represent roughly 1.4% of the population". What does this have to do with the UK? Secondly, much of the material is unsourced. Furthermore, even where sources are provided, they often don't back up the statements being made. So, for example, we read that "In 2001, 306 people in the UK reported their birthplace as Puerto Rico, and many more British born people had ancestral roots on the island, some Puerto Rican born people with a strong 'American' identity could have alternatively stated their birthplace as the United States". The source provided supports the 306 figure, but nothing about many more people having Puerto Rican ancestry or about people stating their birthplace as the US. I propose that all of the unsourced and/or irrelevant material should be removed. Cordless Larry ( talk) 16:19, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—that is, whether readers are able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether we think it is true. Editors should provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is challenged or likely to be challenged, or the material may be removed.
I propose that we merge African Americans in the United Kingdom into this article. Both articles are quite short and the material at African Americans in the United Kingdom could easily be used to bulk up the material under the sub-groups heading here. We'd then have a more complete article rather than two less complete ones. Cordless Larry ( talk) 23:38, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
I've removed the notable people section because it was unsourced. If anyone wants to reinstate it, with reliable sources as references, I've pasted it below as it appeared prior to removal. Cordless Larry ( talk) 17:40, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Name | Details |
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John Barrowman | actor, born in Glasgow, raised in Illinois, now works in the UK |
Bill Bryson | writer, born in the US, lives in the UK |
Barbara Cassani | former chief-executive of the airline Go, and first leader of London's bid for the 2012 Summer Olympics |
Sandra Dickinson | actress, born in Washington DC |
T. S. Eliot | Poet, born in St. Louis, Missouri, became British citizen |
Rich Fulcher | Comedian, co-star of The Mighty Boosh and Snuff Box |
Sir John Paul Getty | businessman, born in California and later moved to the UK |
Terry Gilliam | Film director, animator and member of the Monty Python comedy troupe. UK based since the late 1960s, now a British citizen. |
Bonnie Greer | playwright and critic, born and raised in Chicago, lives in UK |
Alvin Hall | financial expert |
Rich Hall | comedian, writer |
Jimi Hendrix | musician, spent much of career in London |
Tim Howard | A professional soccer player playing in England for Everton Football Club |
Reginald D. Hunter | comedian |
Chrissie Hynde | musician, founder of The Pretenders |
Henry James | American novelist, became a British citizen |
Stanley Kubrick | Film director and producer; lived in the UK from 1962 till his death in 1999. |
Richard Lester | Film director born in Pennsylvania; based in UK since early 1950s. Directed first two Beatles films, The Three Musketeers, and 2nd and 3rd Superman films. |
Madonna | singer, songwriter, actress, has a house in the UK |
Linda McCartney | American photographer, married Paul McCartney and lived in the UK |
Patrick McGoohan | actor, born in New York City but raised in Ireland and the UK |
Sienna Miller | model and actress; born in the US but raised in the UK |
Patrick Ness | An author born and raised in Virginia, US, now is a British citizen and lives in London |
Gwyneth Paltrow | American actress, divides her time between UK and US |
Sylvia Plath | Poet, novelist, and short story writer; born in the US, then lived in the UK |
Suzi Quatro | singer, guitarist, radio personality |
James Rubin | news presenter & commentator, former aide to Bill Clinton |
Wallis Simpson (later Duchess of Windsor) |
American wife of HRH The Duke of Windsor (formerly Edward VIII) |
Sinitta | US born actress and singer living and working in the UK |
David Soul | Actor, became British citizen |
Kevin Spacey | Actor, theatre director living and working in the UK |
Gwen Stefani | Singer, songwriter; married to a Briton and divide time between the UK and the US |
Zoë Wanamaker | Born in the US, raised in the UK, now a British citizen |
Ruby Wax | American comedienne, writer, and television personality, lives and works in the UK |
Beth Ditto | American singer who lives in London |
Name | Occupation | Link |
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Damon Buffini | entrepreneur, businessman | (American father) |
Agatha Christie | novelist | (American father, Frederick Alvah Miller) |
Winston Churchill | politician, statesman | (American mother, Jennie Churchill) |
Mark Getty | entrepreneur, businessman | (American father, Sir John Paul Getty) |
Elizabeth Jagger | model | (American mother, Jerry Hall) |
Oona King | former MP | (American father) |
Harold Macmillan | politician, statesman | (American mother, Helen (Nellie) Artie Tarleton Belles) |
Stella McCartney | fashion designer | (American mother, Linda McCartney) |
Mika | singer, songwriter | (American father, although born in Lebanon, he was raised in London) |
Sienna Miller | actress, model | (American father, although born in United States, she was raised in London) |
Brian Molko | musician | (American father, although born in Belgium, he was raised in Scotland) |
Will Self | novelist, columnist | (American mother) |
Elizabeth Taylor | actress | (American parents) |
Louis Theroux | television presenter, writer | (American father, although born in Singapore, he was raised in London) |
While my national prejudices may coincide my grievance, they alone don't dictate my reasoning and justification behind this complaint. I shall present Four reasons why Benedict Arnold's picture should be removed from this article's page:
1) Benedict Arnold's notoriety is rooted in American history, not British history. His contributions to Great Britain, along with his effect on British history is miniscule and overshadowed by various other contemporary American loyalists and immigrants.
2) His notoriety is rooted in treasonous actions. To put this man in the same category as the American men and women who worked with Great Britain to mutually strengthen both nations is inappropriate. This figure
3) Considering Benedict Arnold's relatively unimportant role in British affairs, history and culture; this man's presence in the articles Collage is both unnecessary and, to many, intentionally offensive. If his presence on this page were to be eliminated, the national neutrality of this article would be better preserved.
4) It goes without saying that Wikipedia must remain politically and ideologically neutral but the presence, or in other cases absence, of specific important historical figures in nationality image collages suggests naked political bias and soft historical revisionism. The fact that Adolf Hitler is absent from the page on Austrians; Mussolini is ignored on the Italian page; Tsar Nicolas the Second is absent on the the Russian collage while Vladimir Lenin and multiple minor figures are present; and the fact that Joseph Stalin is present on the Georgian page's collage despite his human rights record being worse than all mentioned absent individuals COMBINDED suggests that political and national biases are clearly violating Wikipedia's NPOV. If ethics is used as justification to proscribe powerful individuals from presence in nationality collages, then why are ethically controversial and morally maleficent individuals such as Stalin and Lenin included while equally important leaders are excluded despite having cleaner (albeit still dirty) human rights records and only fundamentally differ in political and ideological ways from those included in national collages?
As a political and ideological centrist, I see this phenomenon of selective exclusion/inclusion is worrying and immature. I rely on this site more than most and my trust has been violated by certain obviously politically motivated content decisions. Benedict Arnold does not deserve to be pictured in this article. When it comes to these national collages, Tsar Nicolas the 2nd belongs on the Russians page; Adolf Hitler belongs on the Austrians page; Benito Mussolini belongs on the Italians page; and Benedict Arnold belongs on no national collages unless they're used as visual aid within pages on traitors.
Fix these biases asap. Senior editors have no logical, religious, or historical excuse not to fix these unnecessary violations of Wikipedia's NPOV; violations which hurt the credibility of this site and raise questions regarding content accuracy.
Thank you for your time — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.112.91.98 ( talk • contribs) 15:33, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Ironic, isn't it...o_O Ismael Perez ( talk) 03:08, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
Tim Dalton is British, born in the UK with an English father and an American mother, having lived in the UK all his life. You could argue that he could be added to the 'British-Americans' article but he is not 'American'. I think we need to remove anyone who was born in the UK, who was on holiday or working in the UK from America temporaririly and move them to the correct article otherwise editors will complain that its nothing more than US-centric identity appropriation, regards. Twobells t@lk 10:02, 17 September 2015 (UTC) Edit. I have gone ahead and removed 'born in the UK of American descent' as many listed are British nationals aka 'British-Americans' who may have one parent of American descent, not 'Americans' which implies citizenship, otherwise we'll have to add 60% of the US population to the 'British people' article. Twobells t@lk 10:13, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
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