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please provide reliable sources for the claims. for example, since he is from samarkand, he is most likely non-turkish. -- Xashaiar ( talk) 15:20, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
Isn't Samarkand a place where speakers of Turkic languages live? Besides, since his name is Turkish, and since he lived his professional life in the Ottoman Empire, we can at least be sure he assumed an Ottoman-Turkish identity. 88.240.230.67 ( talk) 18:14, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
1. This looks like a POV, you disregard Turkic presence in Samarkand. 2. Language is an evidence of ethnicity. 3. Name is an evidence of ethnicity. While Turks assumed Arab names, it was not the other way around. 4. See articles like Ottoman Turks or Culture of the Ottoman Empire. Filanca ( talk) 08:05, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Yes and I am answering to your statements. 193.202.18.2 ( talk) 12:58, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
I think User Filanca's changes ,
[1] ,are not correct due to some Wikipedian guidelines :
1- Using non-English (Turkish ) name in the Opening is against
conventions.
2-Although there is controversy about his ethnicity , but anyway , he was not sure an ethnic Turk of Turkey , and the presented source says : "a Turk from central Asia" . The page
Turk does not redirect to a known page , but to a disambiguation page that may have many many meanings : it can not guide the reader and is of no help.
3- Using question mark mark in the Information box is meaningless : does it means the citation needed tag {{cn}} ?
4- He was not always in Ottoman empire : He was in Tabriz , Kerman , Samarghand , Herat and so many other places out of Ottoman empire , and in a short period of time , also in Ottoman empire , then why persisting in adding "an Ottoman" ?
5- Kuşçu/Qushji does not means bird specialist but Royal falcon trainer. By using bird specialist , the reader may think he was a bird biologist!--
Alborz Fallah (
talk) 09:58, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Here are my opinons about what is said above.
1-"Kuscu" is English and seems more popular than other variants (including "qushji), therefore perfectly in line with Wikipedia guidelines, so let us switch to that one.
2-I changed "Central Asian Turk" to "Turkic" which is technically a better term.
3-Agreed.
4-He was Ottoman in the sense that he became a subject of the Sultan, moved his house and job to Istanbul, lived the rest of his life there and his family stayed there after his death. Therefore, no matter his ethnic origin, his Ottoman identity will remain. Compare, for example, with
Yves Tanguy, who was French in ethnic origin and nationality, but listed among American painters.
5-Agreed and since the meaning of his name is of imporatance, I indicated that in the article.
Filanca (
talk) 17:41, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
I think it is more important if we consider the number of reliable sources using alternative spellings. When I made a books search, Kusci spelling appeared to be more popular. Turkic might be technically more correct since it has a clearly defined article but "Central Asian Turk" is also OK: since that makes him Turkic, and the article indicates clearly that he was from Central Asia, there is no difference actually. As you said, we might add other countries where he was born or spent an significant part of his career. Filanca ( talk) 19:38, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
The sites like this do not seem to be quite a WP:RS to the origin of Ali Qushji. I suggest that additional references are provided to the claims about allegedly Persian heritage. Atabəy ( talk) 01:39, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
As it can be seen here,Encyclopédique Larousse doesn't have any article about Ali Qushji, and the given citation about him from that encyclopedia is wrong. Aliwiki ( talk) 00:32, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
Are we sure the term "Persian" in the source refers to a specific ethnicity (i.e., the West Iranian language/culture)? I'm asking this because I've seen sources that describe someone as "Persian" then a sentence later would refer to them as having an [insert another ethnicity] origin. For example, see the Encyclopedia of Islam article "Ahmad-i Djam". (2nd ed., vol.1, p.283) In this case, I'm not sure if the source is making a specific claim about a person's ethnicity/origin, or is it just using the word "Persian" in its broader geographical sense? Besides, these ethnic or-statements are not encyclopedic in the lede. It is best to move such statements to the "Biography" section. Wiqi( 55) 22:03, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
Continued POV wording by user:Akocsg, is giving undue weight to Turkic ethnicity. -- Kansas Bear ( talk) 01:47, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
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