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Disagree: There is no source that this translation is in official use and that it refers to the SMA; the above references may refer to any of Algeria's Scouting organizations. There is Scouting outside WOSM. --
jergen21:44, 13 November 2006 (UTC)reply
Algerian Muslim Scouts (SMA,
Arabic: الكشافة الاسلامية الجزائرية,
French: Scouts Musulmans Algériens) is the national
Scouting association in
Algeria.
It is clear in looking at the title that it is in French, and not the
Arabic language (or English). There may be Scouting outside the WOSM, but the WOSM site is authoritative (IMHO), and we now have other links provided by
User:Reinoutr. --
evrik(
talk)20:58, 15 November 2006 (UTC)reply
As far as I can see, you are the only one seeing WOSM as authoritative - see the opinions above on the Albanian issue.
Is there any source besides WOSM who gives Algerian Muslim Scouts as translation of Scouts Musulmans Algériens? Both sources only mention the existence of an organisation under the English name, but we don't know if it's the same as Scouts Musulmans Algériens. --
jergen14:00, 16 November 2006 (UTC)reply
I had to laugh when you said, "As far as I can see, you are the only one seeing WOSM as authoritative." It's like me saying, "As far as I can see, you are the only one not seeing WOSM as authoritative." The article itself gives the name in three languages. I say we should be using the one in English. --
evrik(
talk)14:48, 16 November 2006 (UTC)reply
If you had looked at history, you would know that the article started with the French title; the English translation was only given as an explanation. Somebody changed this without moving the article...
Concerning the authority of WOSM I'll quote two of the remarks on Beslidha Skaut Albania:
WOSM is not the body who decides on those names (Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr))
WOSM is definitely not the decisive organization in this issue. (Wim van Dorst)
And please don't try to avoid my question: According to which external source is Algerian Muslim Scouts the official translation of Scouts Musulmans Algériens? --
jergen20:06, 16 November 2006 (UTC)reply
Avoid? No, let me quote the statement above, "... translation and is used by the
NDI[3] and
UNICEF[4]."
Sorry, but you didn't answer my question - none of the two given sources proves that Algerian Muslim Scouts is the official translation of Scouts Musulmans Algériens; the French name - of which the mentioned English title may be a translation - isn't mentioned. I'd like to have a source that gives both version - until now it is possible that the English translation refers to any other Algerian Scouting organization. --
jergen11:24, 20 November 2006 (UTC)reply
Scouting in Algeria redirects here, but there is also a Guiding organization. This also breaks the rule of covering multiple NSOs in another NSO article. --——
Gadget850 (Ed)talk - 12:06, 4 November 2008 (UTC)reply
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