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The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: There's no consensus what (if any) the primary topic of "alcohol" is, so the page will be moved off primary and a dab will be placed there. (
non-admin closure) (
t ·
c) buidhe02:54, 5 January 2022 (UTC)reply
I don't believe there is a clear
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC here:
alcohol (chemistry) and
alcoholic drink both have very good claims (though perhaps the former's claim is somewhat stronger), such that neither is much more likely than any other single topic to be the prime reference for '
alcohol'. I therefore support OP's proposal, which actually is the correct solution for when there is no PTOPIC. If there is a PTOPIC though, it is definitely
alcohol (chemistry), which means that nothing should be changed. ☿
Apaugasma (
talk☉)15:32, 28 December 2021 (UTC)reply
I suspect that most know that alcohol is a chemical that is also used for drinking. They won't be surprised that the page discusses its chemistry. (On the other hand, it seems that many do not know that water is a chemical.) As long as the See also is easy to find, I don't see any problem.
Gah4 (
talk)
15:58, 28 December 2021 (UTC)reply
@
Gah4: it's not clear what your opinion is here. We have 4 major articles which people could be looking for when typing in 'alcohol': one on the class of chemical compounds (this one), one on the specific type of alcohol in alcoholic drinks (
ethanol), one on the use of ethanol as a drug (
alcohol (drug)), and one on the medium through which ethanol as a drug is generally consumed (
alcoholic drink). To which one of those should readers be directed when typing in 'alcohol' and hitting enter? Some of the !voters here (the ones saying 'retarget to alcoholic drink') seem to be of the opinion that by far the most likely topic people are looking for is
alcoholic drink, and that readers should therefore first be directed to that article. To me, this appears incorrect: I think that people could equally well be looking for
alcohol (drug) or for the class of chemical compounds; even if
alcoholic drink would be the most likely topic of the 4 (which I doubt), it's not much more likely than the other topics to such an extent as to be the
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. In such cases (when there is no primary topic), the best thing to do is to make
alcohol direct to a disambiguation page (currently
alcohol (disambiguation)) which lists the various articles related to 'alcohol'. If you think, like Zxcvbnm below, that people are by far most likely looking for the class of chemical compounds and that this is the primary topic, nothing needs to be changed and you should !vote oppose. Thanks! ☿
Apaugasma (
talk☉)20:02, 28 December 2021 (UTC)reply
Oppose: OK, I am for keeping it the way it is. While I suspect more people drink alcoholic drinks than work in chemistry labs, that doesn't mean that they are so interesting in reading about it here. And even if more do look for a page related to drinking it, they might not be all that interested in reading the page. Note also that alcohol is commonly used for household cleaning and (both ethanol and 2-propanol) for medical uses (that is, rubbing alcohol). And note that this page does cover much of the history of alcohol for drinking.
Gah4 (
talk)
03:52, 29 December 2021 (UTC)reply
Oppose The drink is named after one type of alcohol, so being the base topic where the other meanings originate from, this should definitely be primary.ZXCVBNM (
TALK)19:40, 28 December 2021 (UTC)reply
Oppose - a link to
Alcoholic drink should be added to the hatnote. I think the rest is fine as-is. Just considering the articles
Alcohol and
Ethanol, the titles as-is are correct. "Ethanol for human consumption" is a subtopic, and the common name refers to that ethanol as alcohol in a form of metonymy. (I can't speak to the etymology, I am claiming that is what the words mean today.) As far as the hatnote handles that, I think we are good.
User:力 (powera,
π,
ν)
19:29, 29 December 2021 (UTC)reply
Support retargeting to either dab or drink. Though from the page views Hemiauchenia presented it would seem that the dab is the better choice.
Gonnym (
talk)
19:42, 29 December 2021 (UTC)reply
Support dab. In a situation where we have credible arguments that A is primary and also credible arguments that B is primary, a
WP:NOPRIMARY outcome is all but inevitable. As another piece of evidence,
here is a link to mainspace pages with wikilinks to the basename. It's sorted by random, so if you refresh, you'll get a new random set. A very high proportion (maybe around 10-20%) of these wikilinks are mistargeted, which is a strong indicator that the current primary topic setup is not working. Making the basename a dab will force editors to make a conscious decision about whether they're referring to the class of chemical compounds, or ethanol specifically, or ethanol as a drug, or alcoholic drinks, or something else.
Colin M (
talk)
20:36, 29 December 2021 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I'm not a fond of a particular English variant. If you would like to use British English, I'm OK with that, just change the template and change all the words which differ between the US and the UK English. However, I found out that the article uses mostly US words, so it was easier to change UK to US by replacing just two words.
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